Mystery woman from Bermuda...or Birmingham, England?

[avm228]

1915 census: Newark, N.J.

Charles Lovel born Jun 1882 Bermuda
Jennie Lovel born Mar 1890 Bermuda
Vivian Lovel (F), born Oct 1910 New Jersey
Charles Lovel, born May 1913 New Jersey
James Lovel, born Feb 1914 New Jersey

[JewellersGranddaughter]

Jennie Lovell died in Manhattan on 6 March 1926 aged 36 (four days after the death of her newborn daughter).

Her parents are named as Charles Scott and Eleanor Parker.

Yes, that's our Charles and his wife.

[avm228]

I can only find one George Scott architect in 1851 & 1861 censuses.  He was George Gilbert SCOTT b 1811.  He was knighted in 1872 and died in 1878  (Wikipedia)

But he didn't get married (To Caroline OLDRID) until 1838

Sons born to them seem well documented with no sign of visits to Bermuda

George Scott (whoever he was) really is key in all of this.  Until the right Scott line is established in the UK there is no way of establishing a link with whatever went on in Bermuda.  Unfortunately without a birthplace for his son William it’s hard to make progress on this. 

[mckha489]

on 12 Dec 1832 at St Mary Magdalene,Woolwich, Kent is a baptism for William born 6 Nov 1832, son of Ann and George SCOTT.  Ann is in the poorhouse. George is a Sailor

The matriarch in Bermuda has to be a woman from William (who married Rosina) son of George's generation doesn't it. 

This George could have fathered a daughter in port, and that would fit with Stuart Stephen etc saying both parents were born in Bermuda.

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(But you would have thought in that case that the Bermuda family wouldn't know Scott was the surname)

[avm228]

William Scott b 1832 Woolwich is traceable through the censuses in Portsmouth & the Isle of Wight until his death in Portsmouth in 1906 - I don’t think he is our man, unfortunately.

[mckha489]

I'd like to find more about Robert James, but the image for his marriage isn't online (not that I can see anyway) He could be a brother of William?

[JewellersGranddaughter]

Subject to that marriage certificate, it looks as though Alfred William Scott was born in Birmingham in 1860 (rather than 1861 as you have it) - birth registration Dec qtr 1860 with mother’s maiden name Harlow.

His parents were William Scott and Rosina Juliette Harlow, who married at Aston on 10 October 1858.  William was 26, an office clerk of Aston Manor, son of George Scott, architect.

William looks likely to have died (or left) early on, as Rosina went on to remarry to Albert Edward Berks in West Bromwich, 1864.  Alfred appears to have been the only child born to William & Rosina.

Anyway - from what I have seen so far there doesn’t seem to be a long line of Williams, as was suggested earlier

In my family tree, I had a question mark by William Scott or George Scott (father of William Ganderton Scott, b.1832).  So, it seems that Wm. Ganderton Scott's father was George Scott, not William? 

As to the many Williams: if Wm. Ganderton Scott's father had been William, there would've been five Williams in a row. I also encountered many William Scotts born in the Birmingham area in my research. That's what I was referring to.  Now, it's Hannah. 

[mckha489]

see reply #15

[avm228]

Yes - as I said at reply #15, William Ganderton Scott (whose father was another William) seems to be a red herring. He did exist, but is not the person who married Rosina (his wife was Charlotte).

Rosina’s husband was a different William Scott, son of George.  This William born c1832 (according to his marriage details) was the same sort of age as William Ganderton Scott - hence, presumably, the confusion.  However, his birthplace is presently unknown - he may not have originated in Birmingham.