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Offline louisa maud

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 23 June 18 23:15 BST (UK) »
Oh my, it seems to be getting more complicated

Caroline A Bradford mothers maiden name  TOTTMAN born 1893 Fulham

Thomas John Bradford married Caroline a  TOTTMAN Fulham 1891, parents of above ?

Richard Bradford married Hannah TOTTMAN FULHAM 1901

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
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Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 23 June 18 23:30 BST (UK) »
Don't know if this Eliza Bradford born 1866 Kensington mothers maiden name Huxley is your Eliza who married Alfred 1887,

BUT

I have found a marriage 19/08/1865 St John Nottinghill
Thomas Bradford aged 22 coachman father John a coachman
to
Eliza Huxley  aged 22 father Mark a fishmonger

So could  this couple be Eliza Bradford's parents, she born 1866 Kensington, neither is a stones throw from Fulham

I am off to be as I might be getting a tad confused

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 23 June 18 23:40 BST (UK) »
Yes let's ignore the Bradford  tottman s bed time for me too
Thanks for all your  hard work

Too much to do with all the Chaplin s

Yes I saw the 1945 wedding record said James a widower

Rosa Newman was a great find

Phoebe is more complicated not found her maiden name

There is a Phoebe Chaplin b great Waldingfield 1816 daughter of James and Phoebe

Probably same one who Marries John  Gout in 1840 Edwardstone


Same names for parents  of Mary b 1822
And Zechariah b 1827 Newton Suffolk
Phoebe and James



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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 24 June 18 00:18 BST (UK) »
Check table one of Chaplin family, not sure if it will help thou, not finding a clear connection.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m8x/ near the beginning of book

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I stopped reading when it said they were descended from Huguenots. ::)

There are a considerable number of Chaplins in West Suffolk from the 1500s onwards, particularly two "families" associated with Monks Eleigh / Chelsworth and Acton / Semer.  There are also a number of published pedigrees on the various families with the usual number of errors unfortunately.  We've been researching the Acton/Semer family for some years.

From what I've seen its believed that Charlie Chaplin's line links into the Chelsworth/Monks Eleigh family but I've not been through the "tree" with a fine tooth comb as not my particular line and there's no obvious connection between the two lines in the 1500s in spite of their proximity.  If there is a connection its further back.  Some members of each of these lines coincidentally resided in the same parishes at the same times which I think has caused some confusion with some researchers.
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 24 June 18 06:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks  whisk
He didn't think there was a connection til told that a relative had found that his great grand father was Charlie's cousin
I maybe able to at least disprove that !

If I can find more about  James Chaplin 1786
#He's a labourer place of birth looks like Wallingfield
Great Waldingfield given as birth place of his  daughter Phoebe in 1816 # (added)

grandfather of Alfred b Newton Suffolk 1864

 need more data to confirm that line

I.ll concentrate on Chaplins from Newton Suffolk for now .I wonder which branch they are .
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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 24 June 18 13:41 BST (UK) »
Have paid for another months subs to Ancestry ...can now confirm
Eliza Bradford is daughter of the coachman   Bradford &Eliza Huxley

Also looking at some original censuses found  James Chaplin the elder living a few doors away from.son James the hawker
1851 james & Phoebe had granddaughter Maria    may be first child of James with first wife Charlotte
The hawker  had far more children with Rosa than I initially thought

By 1861 James the elderly and widow
In 1871 he is head on his own but 2 doors away aged 79 again lab "unable to work"



As for Zechariah  there is one in each generation so Rosa did have a son zacharia and a brother in law

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 24 June 18 17:41 BST (UK) »
Zechariah Chaplin born 1848 Sudbury , MMN NEWMAN

Maria Chaplin g/daughter born circa 1841 Sudbury, MMN HARPER

1839 marriage Cosford James Chaplin to Charlotte Harper

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 24 June 18 17:47 BST (UK) »
1841  ? Hall, can't read the name
James Chaplin aged 23 ag lab
Charlotte 25
Mary 1

James 45 ag lab
Phoebe 45
Zachariah 13
Sarah 10

possibly living at same address
Rosetta Crisell aged 86

All born in county

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Help link: alfred john chaplin and Charlie Chaplin senior
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 24 June 18 18:04 BST (UK) »
The children of Spencer Chaplin and his wife Ellen had mother's maiden name of SMITH, I cannot find a marriage so far, possibly before registration

Ellen died in Kensington 1873

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes