Author Topic: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD  (Read 492 times)

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Re: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 June 18 08:47 BST (UK) »
General Register Office (GRO) birth registration
Polly Clifford, Jun Qtr 1889, Thornbury, 6a 213 - no mother's maiden name

Polly Clifford, born Olveston, easily found in 1891 and 1901 Census (with grandparents)

Mary Ann Clifford, born Olveston, registered Mar Qtr 1893, Thornbury (mother Young) can be found in 1901 Census with parents Maurice and Elizabeth.

Cannot find a Polly Clifford, born Olveston, on the 1911 Census.

Can find a Mary Clifford with parents Maurice and Elizabeth in 1911 and also a Mary Ann Clifford, not with family, born Olveston.

Jun Qtr 1913, Thornbury, Mary A Clifford marries James E Sansum
Jun Qtr 1920, Thornbury, Mary A Clifford marries Charley Robbins

Can find a Charley Robbins on the 1939 register (not Thornbury but a nearby Parish) whose marital status would fit with the death registration of a -
Mary A Robbins, age 42, Jun qtr 1935, Thornbury, 6a 268

Calculated YoB is 1893 - which fits the daughter of Maurice and Elizabeth.

Maurice Clifford died 1927, therefore should appear on any daughter's marriage cert (no guarantee). But without certs it's simply speculation.

 
 
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Re: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 June 18 09:02 BST (UK) »
Electoral Roll, Thornbury (up to 1939) has

ROBBINS Charley
ROBBINS Mary Ann


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Re: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 June 18 12:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks all for taking time to help with my intriguing puzzle.

I had completely missed the 1911 census entry for Mary Clifford the cook. Although she is listed as older than she actually would have been I am pretty sure that this would have been Polly.

The Mary Ann Robbins would fit beautifully especially as the burial is in the same small parish as the entries in the Electoral Register. Age correct as well as you pointed out.

The anomaly with the Electoral Register (i.e. continues to be a Mary Ann and a Charley after her supposed death date) may be due to an older Mary Ann (maybe Charley's mother? need to research further) moving in with her son after his wife's death. There is an older Mary Ann Robbins who died after the 1939 register.
Or could the name have simply not have been removed from the Electoral Register after her death? I have no idea if this is possible?
As you say purely conjecture but this definitely looks more likely  than the trees on the well known website.

One last thing: can anyone find out what happened to Charley post 1939. I have been unable to find a death registration and had hoped to find a burial with Mary Ann in Filton.... too much to ask for of course  ;D

Thanks again
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Re: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 June 18 21:49 BST (UK) »
Would this death fit your Charley?

Charlie Robbins
Mar 1957
Bristol
age 64
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire

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Re: Marriage of James E Sansum and Mary Ann Clifford 1913 Thornbury RD
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 June 18 16:05 BST (UK) »
Assuming I have the correct 1939 entry the death registration would fit perfectly. Thanks.
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