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John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« on: Monday 25 June 18 11:53 BST (UK) »
First of all, apologies if this is the wrong place to post this question but I thought it the most suitable.
I have traced my 2x Gt grandfather to Bermondsey in Surrey where he got married in Oct. 1855. The marriage certificate shows his father James was from Co. Kilkenny in Ireland. It would appear that the Kennedys migrated to London during the Irish potato famine. Unfortunately the marriage cert. does not identify what part of Kilkenny he was from. Being Irish Catholics it would be very unlikely that John was an only child but unfortunately I don't have the names of any siblings. Can anyone suggest how I might go about trying to trace siblings? They could have been born in either Kilkenny or Bermondsey or indeed both places.
Kennedy, Bell, Crumley, Job, Reilly, Convery, McConville & Crowley

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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #1 on: Monday 25 June 18 12:08 BST (UK) »
Stephen -- from the census records you have found for John Kennedy - was he born in Ireland?

Just for info there are Irish RC Parish Registers on both Find My Past and Ancestry and Family Search -- but Kennedy is SUCH a common name and without knowing the townland it is difficult to know who is the correct Kennedy!

Sometimes -- if you follow the person through all the census records the name of the parish of birth may just have slipped out!

For instance have you found John in 1851, hopefully with his family?
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.

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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 June 18 12:15 BST (UK) »
Is this the family in 1851?
HO107; Piece: 1561; Folio: 263; Page: 28
Bermondsey
James and Mary were born Ireland, but all the children were born Bermondsey

James Kennedy   50   Labourer (in hospital? )
Mary Kennedy   40
Thomas Kennedy   16
John Kennedy   14
Ann Kennedy   9
Jane Kennedy   8 Mo
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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 June 18 12:43 BST (UK) »
Well found Groom - looks likely.

In which case in 1841 they were in Southwark - St Olave Parish, Surrey, maybe;

James aged 40
Mary aged 30
Mary aged 8
Thomas aged 6
John aged 4

James and Mary born Ireland - the children shown as born in County.

For the 2 younger girls (Ann and Jane) shown in 1851 - I am struggling to find a birth reg with the same mother's maiden name at the moment. The youngest was only 8 months so should have been born in 1850 -- there are some - but I cannot see an 'Ann' born with the same mother's maiden name at the moment.

If James and Mary married in Ireland (and they may not have) -- it would be easier to find a marriage and location if we had Mary's surname.
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.

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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 June 18 12:56 BST (UK) »
The problem is that they were born when although registration had been introduced, a lot of people still believed that baptism was the same thing and didn't register their children.
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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #5 on: Monday 25 June 18 13:38 BST (UK) »
Yes -- I agree.

They were Irish as well so may not have understood, as Civil Reg hadn't started in Ireland when they must have left that country.
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.

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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #6 on: Monday 25 June 18 14:01 BST (UK) »
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Is this the same John Kennedy - a married lodger
6 Victory Place

1861 323/107/27

John Kennedy 26 yrs Feltmaker b Ireland

The next entry at number 5 Victory Place is
James Kennedy 20 yrs married Labourer b Ireland
Ann 24 yrs b Ireland

Stephen,
Are the details you have re marriage from the church record?
Do the witness names, and addresses help at all?
What is the fatherís occupation?

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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 June 18 14:14 BST (UK) »
From this earlier thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788008.

This is more like your John, I think.

1861 1049/56/25

Married to Allin (Ellen?) and living in Wisbech, Cambridge
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Re: John Kennedy DOB About 1835
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 June 18 17:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you, everyone, for your help. What I know is that John was born in Co. Kilkenny Ireland. He Married Ellen Crowley ( written in 1861 census as Aillin). Ellen was born in Co. Cork Ireland. No mention of any town or townland. Both John's father James and Ellen's father Jeremiah are described in John & Ellen's marriage cert as Master Shoemakers and John's occupation as a railway labourer. Incidentally Pennines in Griffith's valuation of Ireland it is identified that 35% of people named Kennedy living in Ireland lived in the neighbouring counties of Tipperary, Limerick & Kilkenny which is why my quest is proving difficult. I am hoping to identify some of John's siblings in the hope that their bmd certs might give a town of origin for their parents.
Groom, I don't think this is the right family. Although St. Olave Parish is correct. John's parents were James & Elizabeth & the 1861 census shows both John & Ellen as being born in Kilkenny & Cork. Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864. I have both civil & church records but the witnesses names are neither Kennedy or Crowley.
Heywood the Kennedys living in Wisbech are my family, however, this is my gt grandparents. it is this James' aunts & uncles I am trying to identify.
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