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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 June 18 11:17 BST (UK) »
Perhaps the man named in this court hearing could be the father.  However seriously I doubt you will find the father of an illegitimate child whose birth was not registered.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199592151

Wondering if this is the same chap? Both mention Alfred Hazell of Smith street. Seems to interchange John and Alfred on various records.

Vic marriage:
1915 #2851 Alfd Jno HAZELL and Hazel Vivian McGEE

Birth: 1916 #13760 Alfd Jno HAZELL
Father: Alfd Jno
Mother: Hazel (Mcgee)
Place of birth: MELB E

Death: 1916 #6958 Alfd Jno HAZELL
Father: Jno Alfd HAZELL
Mother: Hazel Vivian Hesse (Mcgee)
Place of death: Melb E
Age: 1

The Age 8June1917 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154977021
MISSING FRIENDS
ADDRESS John Alfred Hazell, late of Smith-st., requested; sad news for him. Reward....

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 June 18 15:43 BST (UK) »
So who adopted Joy?

It is unclear in your post.

"she adopted by the woman who was know as her mother"
If it was supposed/known that May was her mother, then did May adopt her?

Who did all the supposing?

What records show any parents?

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I do know the family and perhaps can explain,

Joy L MOULE/BERG was raised by May Beatrice LATTIMORE/MOULE/BERG. Joy's family knew that Joy was adopted but that there was no birth certificate for her,  I dont know if it was a formal adoption or not but on her marriage certificate, Joy put her father and mother down as unknown. If properly adopted, she should have listed May B.

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 June 18 16:58 BST (UK) »
I dont know if it was a formal adoption or not but on her marriage certificate, Joy put her father and mother down as unknown. If properly adopted, she should have listed May B.

There was no such thing as formal/official adoption in Victoria until 1929 so whether there might be any records would depend on how old she was when she began being cared for by May.  There is generally an expectation that you provide the names of your biological parents when you marry if they are known.  In 1936 she could have named anyone she chose because no checks were made and many adoptees simply named their adoptive parents if they were the only ones they knew.

Some information here:

https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/adoption/victoria

State ward records up to 1918 can be viewed in person at PROV but records less that 100 years are closed.  You would probably be successful at gaining access via freedom of information as she is now deceased.

https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/adoption-and-wardship-1864-1961/wards-state-1864-1966

Debra  :)

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 June 18 00:09 BST (UK) »


I do know the family and perhaps can explain,

Joy L MOULE/BERG was raised by May Beatrice LATTIMORE/MOULE/BERG. Joy's family knew that Joy was adopted but that there was no birth certificate for her,  I dont know if it was a formal adoption or not but on her marriage certificate, Joy put her father and mother down as unknown. If properly adopted, she should have listed May B.

I would suspect the family knew a good deal more too, but chose to conceal the details ;D

The most likely mother of Joy would be a close female relative.

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 June 18 00:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you Kermie.

Many illegitimate births were never registered in that era. 

Now for Yasi123/JACKEROO/Dee King to respond.  I often wonder why people need more than one user name.

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 June 18 01:04 BST (UK) »
 :)

And, as Joy married in 1936, in Victoria, I wonder who provided consent for that marriage... she had not yet reached her own majority ... and it seems she did not know her parents' names,

From the excellent Victoria Resources Board :
   Details on ALL Certificates for Victoria
   http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
   http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 June 18 01:16 BST (UK) »
To make Things Clear, below is a time line of the information I have. There is some difference in documents over Joys year of birth. I have the marriage certificate for Joy but it is too large to post

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 28 June 18 01:21 BST (UK) »
Agh, so 1936 marriage was in Western Australia ....

So who gave permission for Joy to marry, she was not yet 21 as per the opening post...

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Re: joy moule lattimer/lattimore
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 28 June 18 01:42 BST (UK) »
The extract from the marriage certificate for Moule, there is a second listing for Berg. There was no indication for permission to marry. I have a certificate from 1926 and in that case, the permission of the father was indicated.