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Liverpool Census 1861
« on: Saturday 30 June 18 12:26 BST (UK) »
I have been tracing a relative from Liverpool who eventually married and died in Chester. She was born in Liverpool in 1858, Winefred Walsh to a Martin Walsh and Ann Neven. I have her birth certificate, she was born in the slum courts of Adisson St. in Vauxhall. I can find no sign of her in the 1861 census nor the 1871 census, no sign of her parents either.

Winifred next appears as marrying a Patrick McNally in Chester, 1878. I have her marriage certificate, her dad is Martin Walsh but deceased, a Patrick Walsh is witness...uncle.? She then appears in 1881 census, 1891 census with a growing family and then dies in the slum courts of Chester in 1896 of a brain hemorrhage, I have her death certificate. She loses two kids as well and after her death and burial as a pauper, the remaining three girls end up in the workhouse in Chester and then an orphanage. Patrick dumped them and married again, an unpleasant character we think! He appears in the newspaper of the time on numerous occasions fighting and drinking and berating crowds about Fenianism!

We know a lot about her and where she lived in Chester but the gap from her birth in 1858 to her marriage in 1878 is a mystery. She seems to have had a dreadful life after marriage and the census of 1861 and 1871 give us no clues to her early life. I know the painful history of the Vauxhall slums, I live in Liverpool, but is the 1861 census complete? I can only assume she ended up in a childrens home somehow as they sprung up about this time because of the Irish diaspora and cholera etc. Hard and difficult times in Liverpool, we are keen to find where she grew up.

Wondered if anyone has had similar experience and had any pointers or advice.

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 June 18 12:59 BST (UK) »
Hello

It's not my area but I did spot this.

Christening at St Joseph's Liverpool
Martin s of Martin Walsh and Ann Navan 9.9.1855 born 30 Aug 1855 Gpts Martin and Bridget Egan

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 June 18 13:18 BST (UK) »
So far I have found children born with surname Walsh and mmn variations of Neven:
Henry 1847
Bridget 1853
James 1855
Winefred 1858

I can't spot them in 1861 - yet.

Added: no luck finding any of the family in 1861 or 1871. There are a lot of Martin Walshes, not too many Win*freds so have been concentrating on her as she is the only one who is definitely still living after 1871 ....  :-\


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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 June 18 13:56 BST (UK) »
I found them too but they don't seem to fit with father etc.


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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 June 18 13:59 BST (UK) »
What was Martin's occupation on Winefred's birth and marriage certificates?

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 June 18 14:03 BST (UK) »
I found them too but they don't seem to fit with father etc.

Those children's names came from the GRO index. Father's first name not given.

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 June 18 14:09 BST (UK) »
When I tried to find those kids in future census I couldn't make them fit what I knew. I know spelling variations drive me potty but I did discount them. Hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 June 18 14:12 BST (UK) »
Farm Labourer on Birth and Jobbing Labourer on wedding. Martin reported as deceased by Winifred.

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Re: Liverpool Census 1861
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 June 18 14:17 BST (UK) »
Catholic baptisms at St Joseph’s

1855 Martin - Martin Walsh and Ann Navan

1858 Winifred Martin W and Ann Naevin

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