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Offline Jane190

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George and Mary Butler
« on: Tuesday 03 July 18 16:15 BST (UK) »
Hey ,

I want to know if there is a connection between these two people below .

On the Romany & Traveller Family History Society  website ive found a death for a George Butler died 29th February 1772 in Wroughton,Wiltshire and hes a Traveller. My ancestor Mary Butler married in Wroughton on the 17th of may 1757 to George Picket(s/o William+Mary). I want to know if George Butler and Mary Butler are related maybe her father or brother or cousin , I dont know her birth date and parents . Was Mary also a Traveller ?


Jane
SMITH-Worth,Cuckfield/Sussex
COOPER-Heston,Harmondsworth/Middlesex
PATTENDEN- Sussex
FULLER- Worth /Sussex
UNDERWOOD-Chertsey/Surrey
JONES- Chertsey
BRIDDIST-Chertsey
BERRYMAN-Chertsey
HOWARD-Chertsey
TAYLOR-Hilmarton/Wiltshire
MILLS-East Ilsley/Berkshire
EVANS-East Hendred/Berkshire
HITCHMAN-Wantage
GODDARD- East Hendred
PIKE-Berkshire
WICKS- Farringdon
SHORTLAND-Sunbury-on-Thames
DUKES-Heston
NICOLLS-Middlesex
PICKET- Wroughton/Wiltshire
BUTLER-Wroughton
LANGRIDGE -Worth/Sussex

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Re: George and Mary Butler
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 July 18 14:35 BST (UK) »
Jane,

Have you been through the parish registers for Wroughton looking at all the Butler entries?

Do George and Mary appear out of the blue or are there other Butler events in the PRs over a period of time?

There's no Picket in the family tree of Joseph and Letitia Butler by Eric Trudgill.
Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas

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Re: George and Mary Butler
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 July 18 15:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
Looks like Mary Butler d of Wroughton  and Judith Butler 16 Oct 1734.
Wroughton 23.3.1711 s of Abigail  He was buried 27.1.1786
Wroughton married Judith Waldron at Chiseldon 10.3.1731

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Re: George and Mary Butler
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 July 18 17:54 BST (UK) »
@Darnity

No I didnt look trough the parish registers for Wroughton ? How can I do this ? Im not a member of Romany&Traveller Family history society.

@ciderdrinker

Thanks for the information  :) a familytree from geni.com shows that Judith Waldron was born in Chiseldon  and daughter of Robert Waldron and Charity Hall.

But I would like to know if my Butlers were also Romany or Travellers .
SMITH-Worth,Cuckfield/Sussex
COOPER-Heston,Harmondsworth/Middlesex
PATTENDEN- Sussex
FULLER- Worth /Sussex
UNDERWOOD-Chertsey/Surrey
JONES- Chertsey
BRIDDIST-Chertsey
BERRYMAN-Chertsey
HOWARD-Chertsey
TAYLOR-Hilmarton/Wiltshire
MILLS-East Ilsley/Berkshire
EVANS-East Hendred/Berkshire
HITCHMAN-Wantage
GODDARD- East Hendred
PIKE-Berkshire
WICKS- Farringdon
SHORTLAND-Sunbury-on-Thames
DUKES-Heston
NICOLLS-Middlesex
PICKET- Wroughton/Wiltshire
BUTLER-Wroughton
LANGRIDGE -Worth/Sussex

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Re: George and Mary Butler
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 July 18 12:40 BST (UK) »
It looks like the original parish registers for Wroughton are available on Ancestry.co.uk so you could check for the name Butler there to see if they are settled members of the community or just passing through.

To get an idea of the kind of 'markers' to look out for in an individual to help you decide if he/she has Gypsy blood, take a look at this page of the Romany and Traveller FHS website:

https://rtfhs.org.uk/gypsy_identity/

In summary what you're looking for are four essentials in the same person: typical Romany surname; unusual first name/s; typical Romany occupation; and signs of mobility - being described in a record as a Traveller, vagrant, stranger, itinerant, Gypsy, passing through and so on. Butler is a known Romany surname but it's also carried by many non-Romanies too.

Sharon
Smith - East Anglia & Lancashire
Taylor - East Anglia
Draper
Hope
Shaw
Gray
Boswell
Lovell
Robinson
Chilcott
All Blackpool Gypsies
"Royal Epping Forest Gypsies": ball-giving group
"Borrow's Gypsies": the people that the novelist George Borrow (1803-1881) knew and wrote about

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Re: George and Mary Butler
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 July 18 17:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Sharon  :)

Ill follow your advices and tips , Thank you


Jane
SMITH-Worth,Cuckfield/Sussex
COOPER-Heston,Harmondsworth/Middlesex
PATTENDEN- Sussex
FULLER- Worth /Sussex
UNDERWOOD-Chertsey/Surrey
JONES- Chertsey
BRIDDIST-Chertsey
BERRYMAN-Chertsey
HOWARD-Chertsey
TAYLOR-Hilmarton/Wiltshire
MILLS-East Ilsley/Berkshire
EVANS-East Hendred/Berkshire
HITCHMAN-Wantage
GODDARD- East Hendred
PIKE-Berkshire
WICKS- Farringdon
SHORTLAND-Sunbury-on-Thames
DUKES-Heston
NICOLLS-Middlesex
PICKET- Wroughton/Wiltshire
BUTLER-Wroughton
LANGRIDGE -Worth/Sussex