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Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« on: Tuesday 03 July 18 17:37 BST (UK) »
This is an irritating one, which I periodically have a poke at, without success.
Can anyone find ANY sighting of Thomas and Elizabeth Major, apart from 1851 census?

In 1851, this family is at Cross Keys Yard, Queen Street, Oxford (HO107/1728/476/2)

Thomas Griffin   Head 60  Ag Lab  born Newbury BRK
Hannah                wife  43                         Marsh Gibbon BKM
William                son   18   Ag Lab          Newbury BRK
Eliza                     daur  21                         Newbury BRK
Hannah                 daur  16                         Newbury BRK
Jane                       daur 13  scholar            Newbury BRK
Thomas Major     son in law 37 dealer in marine stores    Folkestone KEN
Elizabeth Major    daur  26   wife of do, lacemaker   Marsh Gibbon BKM
John Deacon         visitor unm 22  dealer in marine stores   East Ilsley BRK


Elizabeth was the (illegitimate?) daughter of Hannah Burgess and was baptised at Marsh Gibbon on 24 October 1824. Hannah married Thomas Griffin at Marsh Gibbon on 21 May 1827.

I have the Griffins in 1841 in Abingdon (apart from Elizabeth).
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 17:56 BST (UK) »
Have you considered in 1841:

HO 107 / 489 / 12 / 11 / 14
Blackheath Hill, St Alphege, Greenwich, Kent

in the household of Wm Knock, victualler

Thoms Major, 25, M.S. Y ?

edit probably not him after all, he is still likely in Greenwich in 1851  >:(
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Re: Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 20:20 BST (UK) »
1841 for Thomas, with a potential link to his future wife?

Crockwell, Bicester

Susanna Jagger    65
John Munday    40
Thomas Jones    30
Thomas Major    25 - sailor, not b in county
Caroline Stueart    40
Mary Stewart    25
Hannah Griffin    20  <<< lacemaker, not b in county
John Stewart    8
Henry Golding    70
Thomas Honnor    65
Mary Carey    80
Hannah Manders    60

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Re: Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 July 18 20:36 BST (UK) »
Have you found a marriage for them?

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Re: Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 July 18 10:15 BST (UK) »
Yes JenB, Iíve seen the Thomas Major in 1841 Greenwich before. He married Eliza Bilby Ė also in that Knock household Ė at Deptford on 24 October 1841. As you say they stayed in the area and had children. He was born at Deptford and she at Lee.

Mabel, thanks for finding the entry at Bicester. Whatís a sailor doing in deepest Oxfordshire? Of course, there is little link between a sailor and a marine stores dealer, the latter being what we would probably call a scrap metal merchant today. I canít see where this Hannah Griffin fits in Ė her birth predates Thomas Griffin and Hannah Burgessís marriage by some way. She could be a relation of his Ė or perhaps itís a coincidence? But one to keep in the file.

Iíve found nothing for Thomas and Elizabeth Major, apart from 1851 and her baptism, so no marriage yet.
Berks - Appleton Barlow Bartholomew Carter/Cook Corderoy Coxhead Froud Fryzer Griffin Head Noke Richmond Salter Sawyer Shrimpton Sidwell Stratton Wernham
South Bucks - Miller Mitchell Horton
Cornwall - John Henry Grigg born c 1839 where?
Hants - Hine/Hind
South Oxon - Barlow Fryzer Simmonds Toby
Suffolk - Philpott Stone
Surrey Edwards Knight Lanaway

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Re: Where are Thomas & Elizabeth Major apart from Oxford in 1851?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 July 18 16:29 BST (UK) »
Mabel, thanks for finding the entry at Bicester. Whatís a sailor doing in deepest Oxfordshire? Of course, there is little link between a sailor and a marine stores dealer, the latter being what we would probably call a scrap metal merchant today.

Oxford is within 60 miles of the sea.  All the people I'm about to mention were from Oxfordshire.
My great-uncle had a career in the Royal Navy but was on leave in Oxford in 1911.
His brother, my maternal grandfather, joined later but was discharged on medical grounds.
My mother wanted to join the Wrens but her dad wouldn't let her.
My father went to volunteer for the Royal Navy at the start of WWII but they didn't need carpenters.  (He served in the Royal Corps of Signals instead.)

A maternal (non-naval) 2xgtgrandfather was a marine store dealer in Oxford.  Here's a definition from an earlier thread on the subject:


OXFORDSHIRE / BERKSHIRE
Bullock, Cooper, Boler/Bowler, Wright, Robinson, Lee, Prior, Trinder, Newman, Walklin, Louch