YATES, William and Mary (nee Carroway), Deal circa 1789 - 1808

[Seaton Smithy]

Hi everyone.

I'm hoping find siblings for my 4x great-grandfather William Yates, baptised in Deal in 1792.

His parents were William Yates and Mary Carroway who married in Deal in 1789.

Mary Carroway was baptised in Sandwich in 1773 and died in Deal in 1808.

Online trees suggest William (Senior) was baptised in Deal in 1767 but I haven't been able to confirm that.  After Mary died he appears to have married Margaret Lloyd in Dawley Magna, Shropshire in 1808.  A number of his grandchildren from his first marriage were given Lloyd as a middle name, a tradition that has continued into the 20th century with descendants here in Australia. 

Margaret dies in Dawley Magna in 1815 and William later dies in Caerleon, Monmouthshire in 1829, with his will confirming that he was formerly of Deal and that he leaves the bulk of his estate to his son William.  The will does not mention other children but names William (Junior)'s wife Mary (Dunbar) and refers to grandchildren without naming them.  The will also confirms that in 1827 he married again to his loyal housekeeper Susannah Bax.

I have only confirmed the baptism of William (Junior) in 1792. Any assistance identifying other children of William (Senior) and Mary Carroway would be greatly appreciated.

[AJ100]

Hello Seaton (or Smithy)

I may be able to help. I have the records of all baptisms, marriages and burials in Deal and Walmer and some of the surrounding area. They are NOT on-line records but transcriptions written records of the time and can, therefore, be taken as accurate.

There is no record of William being baptised in Deal, Walmer, Sholden, Mongeham or Northbourne (nearby villages).

He married Mary Carroway at St Leonard's church, Deal, on 18/8/1789. Witnesses were Elizabeth Connor and Edward Foreman (Churchwarden).
Their children were William, baptised at St George's (chapel of ease to St Leonard's) 11/5/1792
Mary Ann, baptised 22/8/1794 and Richard, 14/3/1800.
William married Mary Ann Dunbar at St Leonard's on 23/11/1809. He would have been 17 but there are no other Williams and one of their children has the middle name of Lloyd. I have a list of their children if you need it.

Hope this is of some help

Kind regards

AJ

[Seaton Smithy]

Thank you very much, AJ!

As I suspected, William (Senior) may not originally be from that region.  A DNA match is indicating a connection to a Yates family in Buckinghamshire, so I will need to explore that family further.

I would appreciate confirmation of the children of William (Junior) and Mary Ann Dunbar. The information I have is:

Mary Ann, b 1810 - d 1835 (baptism recorded as 'Yeats' but death recorded on William's headstone)
William, b 1812 (Ancestry is suggesting a death in Paris, Ontario in 1855 that I will explore further)
Richard Lloyd, b 1814 - d 1814
Henry Harford, b 1815 - d 1842
Richard, b 1819 - possibly died 1846 or 1847
Thomas Alexander, b 1823 - d 1890 (Wahgunyah, Victoria, Australia)
James Dunbar, b 1824
Robert Lloyd, b 1827 - d 1899 (married Sarah Goldsack 1856, Eastry)
George Edward, b 1829
Edward Alexander, b 1833 - d 1836

Thanks again.

[AJ100]

Glad to be of help.

William Yates married Mary Ann Dunbar at St Leonard's 23/11/1809. Witnesses were Elizabeth Dunbar and William Carroway.
Children - dates of baptism, not birth. all baptised at St George's.

19/10/1810 Mary Ann died 22/12/1835 aged 25 at Middle Deal
19/8/1812  William
28/6/1815  Henry Harford died 22/12/1842 aged 27 at Middle Deal
4/6/1817  Elizabeth Lloyd
10/12/1819  Richard Lloyd died 31/12/1846 aged 27 at Beach Street
24/1/1823  Thomas Alexander
17/9/1824  James Dunbar
13/6/1827  Robert Lloyd
17/7/1829  George Edward
18/1/1833  Edward Alexander


On 9/5/1814 Richard Lloyd was buried aged 3 months while living at King Street. There is no record of his baptism in the local registers. Either he was baptised out of the parish or not baptised at all.

On 11/7/1844 John Stephen Holtum, Carpenter of Walmer, son of John Holtum, Builder,
married Elizabeth Lloyd Yates of Duke Street, daughter of william, Gentleman.
Witnesses were Wiliam Yates, George Claringbold, w. Williams and R. Claringbold

Hope this helps

Regards

AJ

[panda40]

Just to add a little bit of information William was listed as a mariner on most of the baptism records, this might help you locate further information about him.
Regards
Panda

[panda40]

Richard Loyd Yates was baptised on 9/2/1814in St Leonard’s Deal. Findmypast has all the baptisms which can be found in their parish register collection available online. The strange thing about all of these children on findmypast has the baptismns show as being at St George and St Leonard.
Regards
Panda

[Seaton Smithy]

Just to add a little bit of information William was listed as a mariner on most of the baptism records,

Thanks, Panda.  That is consistent with other information I have.

[Seaton Smithy]

4/6/1817  Elizabeth Lloyd

On 11/7/1844 John Stephen Holtum, Carpenter of Walmer, son of John Holtum, Builder,
married Elizabeth Lloyd Yates of Duke Street, daughter of william, Gentleman.
Witnesses were Wiliam Yates, George Claringbold, w. Williams and R. Claringbold

Thanks again, AJ.  This has been very helpful.

Is there any more information available about William (Senior) and Mary Carroway's marriage? 

I'm hoping that somewhere along his journey he tells us his father's name.

EDIT: Related queries posted here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796337 and here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796338

[AJ100]

Thank you Panda for finding Richard Lloyd Yates baptism in St George's. I looked and promptly found it! The reason for the inclusion of  both St George and St Leonard in the entries is that St George's was a chapel of ease for St Leonard's, meaning that St Leonard's kept all the records, so, effectively, someone baptised at St George's would be taken as being baptised at St Leonard's, as far as the church was concerned.

The only info I have on William's marriage to Mary Carroway I have mentioned. Back then they didn't record parents' names or give occupations etc.
As Panda says, William junior was a Mariner but ended up recorded as a Gentleman at the time of Elizabeth's marriage in1844, so he obviously prospered.

Regards

AJ