Thomas Henry Boik

[Kezzza]

This is the birth you refer to

Frederick Lucking Sep 1852 Chelmsford mothers maiden name Smee

There's a William Jun 1848 Frederick Dec 1849 Arthur Jun 1857 George Mar 1859 same parents surnames all Chelmsford

Hey yes they are it.
Is there a way I can find out the father’s name without having to purchase the records? All I know is it was Robert

[Milliepede]

That one doesn't look like Robert - marriage 1848 William Lucking and Hannah Smee but can check for that family on census. 

Robert Lucking marriage was 1843.  I thought Frederick was with parents up to 1871 then ??  but I may be getting confused with all the names!

[Kezzza]

That one doesn't look like Robert - marriage 1848 William Lucking and Hannah Smee but can check for that family on census. 

Robert Lucking marriage was 1843.  I thought Frederick was with parents up to 1871 then ??  but I may be getting confused with all the names!

Hahaha I get soo confused too!
I’m not sure if we have ever confirmed we found the correct family but I might have that wrong! 

[Milliepede]

Did you say you had a copy of the 1875 marriage? 

Can you say what occupation there was for Frederick and for Robert and who the witnesses were (if you have it)

The one I was looking at had father Robert mother Hannah and born c1849 Chelmsford
Hannah would be Hannah Colt from the 1843 Chelmsford marriage

In 1871 he is a stone masons labourer and father is a carman

Oh dear I hope this isn't going on the wrong track.

[Kezzza]

Did you say you had a copy of the 1875 marriage? 

Can you say what occupation there was for Frederick and for Robert and who the witnesses were (if you have it)

So for Frederick it has his name a John Frederick and not Frederick John. He’s occupation as Labour
Robert’s occupation farmer.

Frederick was 22 yo and Mary 19 (how ever I believe she was younger 17)

The witnesses were John Hall (not sure if he is related and Mary’s sister Eliza Ellen Rawston

They were living at 5 young st at the time, however I haven’t been able to find that address anywhere. However being from Aus I something get confused with the counties etc so I could be looking at it wrong haha

[Milliepede]

Thanks for that so the one I had doesn't look right does it  unless I misread farmer as carman.

There is another one with father Robert but that doesn't seem to fit either.

Anyway I have found a John Lucking who died in 1891 which is what Louisa claimed when she put widow last husband died.

The will of John Lucking of Willingdale Doe Essex died 21 March 1891 proved by Arthur John Lucking of Willingdale Doe farmer the son. 

But your John wouldn't have a son old enough in 1891 would he so probably not our man 

[judb]

I see M L's death was registered with a further surname -  GUNSTON - and she is mentioned as the wife of Arthur GUNSTON in the death notice.

Death, Victoria, 1944, #7443
Mary Louisa GUNSTON, 86
Death Place:   East Brunswick, Victoria
Father's name:   Geo Betts
Mother's name:   Elizth Stevens

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205997929

GUNSTON.—On July 28, at her residence, 18 St. Phillip-street, East Brunswick, Mary Louise, wife of Willliam Gunston, and loved mother of Thomas Henry and the late Martha, Maud and James Boik, aged 86 years.
(Buried at Coburg cemetery according to funeral notice on same page)

I see that the children mentioned are noted with surname BOIK; are Martha and Maud her children, registered in UK with surname LUCKING?  There was also an Alfred James LUCKING, registered West Ham, Dec qr 1883, Vol 4a, p134 - is this the James mentioned in the death notice?

Do you have this death certificate?  Could you transcribe it please?

M L is on the electoral roll as Mary Louisa GUNSTON at 205 Albert St west, Brunswick in 1931, 1933

Judith

[majm]

Probate application by Thomas Henry BOIK,  for  Mary Louisa SMITHWICK. (ADD of address as per Judith's post  and it is matching Thomas'  )

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205998581  3 August 1944, The Age.

JM

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry Victoria Police Gazette   16 Dec 1915
https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/60885/44404_b219484-00967?
….theft of items...….Louisa SMITHWICK from her dwelling 1 University Street Carlton.....

Ancestry Victoria Police Gazette 28 Apr 1921   (larceny report mostly jewellery)
https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/60885/44404_b219490-00431?
CARLTON...at 1 University Place Carlton...William GUNSTON tuckerpointer….

Louise SMITHWICK reports stolen...…...private papers in the name of M L SMITHWICK.....deeds to a block of land Essendon.....Alfred COLEMAN suspected...…