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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 14:50 BST (UK) »
IS this the record you found for John Harold?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8055925

Just a thought  ???

"Medal Card of McHamilton, John Harold
Place of Birth Shetland
Date of Birth 1869"
*

Hoping this doesn't muddy the waters/put obstacles in the way but I wonder if John was actually illegitimate?

I also wonder would it be easy to confuse Shetland with Orkney?

Found this birth;

HAROLD JOHN 1869 *
024/ 31 Rousay and Egilsay (Orkney)

1871 census shows him living with g/parents;

John Johnston 58
Elisabeth Johnston 55
Agnes Johnston    18
John Harrold 1

This John has Agnes named as his mother but someone has posted a note to say it was Agnes' sister Jean who was his mother.

However, if brought up by his g/parents & as g/parents names were John & Elizabeth (Betty) could the name Hetty have been an error for Betty  :-\

If his father was a John (Hamilton/McHamilton) he would have been using his birth father's surname & when asked the name of his father, gave his forename as John (same as g/father) & a possible mix up with the name of his mother who was actually his g/mother?

Best I can describe the scenario in my head, hope it does make sense but may well be far off but it was just a thought?

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 15:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosinish,
    Anything is possible, as I'm finding with this person, or the lack there of. It's just such a confusing subject. Anyway I will continue this tomorrow as it's midnight here and my brain is overloaded.
Jan
   

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 15:36 BST (UK) »
Re John Harold on the 1871 census with his grandparents.
Orkney birth index already posted by Rosinish

He was born on 21 Oct 1869, son of John Harold and Jean Johnston ( Family Search)
Can find no trace of a marriage for these parents.

 I have a seat booked at the SP centre for tomorrow and will look at this birth.

EDIT: Not a single McHamilton birth for anywhere in Scotland on Family Search
None anywhere/ anytime on Scotland's People. No births, deaths or marriages on OPRs or Statutory records.

The name McHamilton doesn't seem to exist


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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 16:11 BST (UK) »
That's very kind of you Anne!

I'm probably way off, basically a bit of lateral thinking being as the surname even if Hamilton isn't to be found in those areas.

I haven't checked any other census' nor deaths for John Har(r)old!

There's no Johns born with middle name Harold although there's another possible but there's a few named John with Henry as a middle name  :-\

HENRY (surname) JOHN HARRISON (middle name) 1870
005/ 40 Lerwick (Shetland)

I haven't checked out any census or death records for the ones on SP.

Annie



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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 16:23 BST (UK) »
The last name of Harold/Harrold seems quite common on Orkney and John Harold b 1869 may have married there which would eliminate him.
I will check anyway.

Something else that is noticeable
I can't see a single  birth, death or marriage in Shetland for anyone named Harold/Harrold

If this man was born on Shetland, his birth name was not McHamilton, Harold or Harrold

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 17:22 BST (UK) »
HENRY (surname) JOHN HARRISON (middle name) 1870
005/ 40 Lerwick (Shetland)

John Harrison Henry has parents George Wooler Henry & Robina Irvine so can be ruled out.


Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 22:25 BST (UK) »
Annie, I think the John Harrold you found from Orkney may likely have lived and died there (1955). He shows in the censuses up to 1901 working as a farm servant. The 1901 entry shows him likely married to a Maggie Ann and with two young daughters.

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 22:28 BST (UK) »
Jan, has the lady you are helping out considered getting the marriage reg for John to Rosa May Callander? No use of course if parents' names and details are not included (I am not sure on this  :-\).

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Re: McHamiltons from The Shetlands
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure there is another group of unassisted McHamiltons that came to (Sydney?)  in Australia from Germany on the Oldenburgh in Victorian shipping records

Germany was a major trading partner with the Shetlands for salted fish.

I wonder if these people were relatives:

Age                                           Ship                          Name
18   305   JAN   -   2   F   OLDENBURG   1896    MCHAMILTON, ---- MISS
21   305   JAN   -   2   F   OLDENBURG   1896    MCHAMILTON, ---- MISS
24   305   JAN   -   2   F   OLDENBURG   1896    MCHAMILTON, H MR
54   305   JAN   -   2   F   OLDENBURG   1896    MCHAMILTON, A M

https://prov.vic.gov.au/search_journey/select?keywords=mchamilton

Then John Harold McHamilton married Rosa May Callander in 1909 in Victoria

What happened to the 54 year old A M McHamilton (Gender unknown) and the two Miss Hamiltons, one aged 18 and the other aged 21?

The 24 yar old H McHamilton could have been John Harold McHamilton
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)