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Offline sugarfizzle

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Re: how to know the "unknown"
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 16:26 BST (UK) »
Martin, You need to write something like 'Gedmatch Kit number H062246', or 'Gedmatch DNA Kit H062246' or something similar. Most people will know what you mean without it, but not all.  :) :)

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STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: how to know the "unknown"
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 July 18 23:51 BST (UK) »
Plimmerian,

To give an example of how it could help find your Unknown, though my example is at a slightly closer level than 4th cousin.

I have a predicted 3rd cousin who has no Ancestry tree. He knows the name of his grandmother, Smith (literally, not an example!), and thinks she was born in either Scotland or Liverpool. Nothing else. 1939 Register and death record give different years of birth, 1906 or 1909.

He is a shared match with my paternal cousin and a couple of other matches who I know to be connected to my Laversuch family, so a working assumption could be that he is connected through this family.

I know that one Laversuch sibling 'married' or cohabited with a Smith, and had several children, including 8 boys and 3 girls.  I am unable to trace all of these children after 1901 census, but a daughter of one of them would make the estimate of 3rd cousins correct.

I have provisionslly added an extra 'Unknown' child of Smith and Laversuch to my tree, adding
'Parentage
Not A Smith, not B Smith, unlikely to be C Smith, not D Smith -- Possibly E Smith, F Smith, G Smith or H Smith, or one of the girls'.

And that's as far as I can get, without finding the birth record of grandmother of my match.

New records may become available, closer matches may turn up, but the likelihood of me finding out his 'Unknown' is pretty slim. And he isn't particularly interested.

It is different in your case, you have no idea as to which surname could possibly connect you to your matches, so it will make it that much harder.  As I said in my first post, patience, hard work and a great deal of effort.

Regards Margaret

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You, looking for Unknown, would only have Smith to go work on. You wouldn't know about Laversuch, there isn't a Smith/Laversuch marriage to help you, there would just be the three shared matches, who you may or may not be able to tie together, as there isn't much to go on in 3 of the trees.
You are in fact looking for someone a generation further back, and it becomes more difficult, but not impossible.
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: how to know the "unknown"
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 12 July 18 07:07 BST (UK) »
I highly suggest using a chromosome mapping tool such as dnapainter.com. With this you can group your matches and look for triangulations which are extremely helpful in finding shared ancestors.


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Re: how to know the "unknown"
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 July 18 16:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Plimmerian,

I'm also on one of your trees! as I'm researching the Aldridge line from Liverpool which goes back to Wickham/Ryton in Co Durham to a Richard Aldridge in the late 1700s.

I haven't got as far as a dna test and certainly I'm only a beginner compared to the people here with their IGI/Gedmatch!! but I do enjoy digging around albeit I get frustrated trying to track down the females in my tree as often the males registered the births etc.

If you want to know more about my Aldridge line then let me know as I suspect we are related !
Sue