William Thorne

[Jackarmy1]

Help.....................  I've been going along quite nicely through maternal and paternal grandparents back to late 1780's. But I've hit a brick wall with my paternal grandfather. I've picked him up on the 1939 register, the 1911 and the 1901 census's, but unable to pinpoint him before that. The 1891 census should be a good source for me, but simply unable to find him. His name is William Thorne  bron 1861 and he was married to Mary Thorne (prob Mary Ann) born 1865. They had 3 children born between 1881 and 1891, William 1884, Nellie 1886 and Lizzie 1888. I'm unable to find them as a group in 1891. Their locale is West Ham, or Leytonstone.
Do you think its reasonable to consider they were all living at different address's in 1891 or does anyone else have another feasible option. I've tried dropping the E in Thorne, but that doesn't really help much either. Many thanks in advance - richard

[suzard]

1891 (transcribed as Thern on A******y)
1 Rose Villa Leyton Essex
William Thorn Head M 30 lab Hackney
Mary 24 or 26? Ongar Essex
William H son 6
Ellen M daughter 4 (probably Nellie?)
Lizzie S daughter 2
Joseph I (or J) son 4 mths
children all b Leytonstone
RG12 1347 108 21

possibly these are the birth reg's for the children
all in W Ham reg dist
William Henry Thorne Jun qtr 1884
Ellen Mary A Thorne Sept qtr 1886 (aka Nellie?)
Eliabeth Sarah Thorne Sept qtr 1888 (aka Lizzie?)
Joseph John Thorne Jun qtr 1890
and death reg
Joseph John Thorne age 1 Dec qtr 1891

Suz

[Jackarmy1]

Thats brilliant thank you, almost certainly them, but why isn't it showing on FindMyPast. Are you able to see anything for William and Mary for 1881? - richard

[suzard]

I'll look in a mo -meanwhile these baptisms may confirm we have correct family
Baptisms
all at St John The Baptist Leytonstone Essex
William Henry Thorne born 13 May 1884 Baptised 1 Jun 1884 Parents William & Mary Ann
Ellen Mary Ann Thorne born 3 Jan 1886 baptised 4 July 1886 Parents William & Mary Ann
Elizabeth Sarah Thorne born 2 Jun 1888 baptised 24 Jun 1888 Parents William & Mary (note no Ann)
Joseph John Thorne 15 April 1890 baptism 4 May 1890 Parents William & Mary AnnBack soon

Suz

[Comberton]

FindMyPast has it as SHORN

Married in September qtr 1883

William Thorn
Mary Ann Sitch
West Ham 4A 73

[Jackarmy1]

Sitch ?  thats great, it should mean Mary's father is John and William's father is Joseph. Coming together now, many thanks.

[suzard]

think I've found William in 1871 and 1881 -but he is entered as William Flack !!!

I'll explain
1891 census hads 78 year old Henry Flack b Saffron Walden Essex living with William Thorne and family and he is described as "father in law" to head of house (William Thorne)
I assumed he would be Mary's father - but no it seems he was William Thorne's step father

I'll post more in a mo

Suz

[suzard]

1881
Cathall RD Leyton Essex
Henry Flack Head M 57 labourer Saffron Waldon Essex
Rachel Flack wife 57 Saffron Waldon Essex
WILLIAM FLACK son S 20 Hackney Middlesex (I believe this to be William Thorne)
RG11 1723 98 3

1871
53 Hannanas?? Cottages Hackney
Henry Flack Head M 48 Carman Saffron
Rachel Flack wife 48 saffron
James Flack son 15 Hackney
WILLIAM FLACK son 10 Hackney
Amy Flack daughter 8 Hackney
RG10 325 80 30

Marriage after Banns-from image
West Hackney Page 190 entry 379
21 may 1866
Henry Flack full age widower occ Horsekeeper W Hackney father Thomas Flack (dec) Carman
Rachel THORN full age widow W hackney father John Wright (dec) Horsekeeper
witnesses William Henry Smith (made his mark) & Mary Ann Thorn (signed)
Henry Flack made his mark Rachel signed

will look for thorne in 1861

Suz

[Jackarmy1]

Wow, no wonder I was having problems tracking him down.