Patrick BARRETT brickwall

[majm]

An obit for the Patrick who may be the father of your Patrick - died May1918
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/116773540
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http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/bourke-sir-richard-1806   The Governor arrived with his family in Sydney on 3 December 1831.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32076404 Sydney Monitor 3 Dec 1831  per the vessel Margaret

Judith has already given the Freeman’s Journal of 27 June 1918 … Born in Limerick, he  came as a boy of eight with his father to NSW in 1831 with the rest of a family of ten in the vessel which brought out Gov BOURKE.  …. Family to Reidsdale in 1838

JM

[TJ 007]

I am confident that's Molonglo    I will look up my 19th Century NSW electoral rolls tomorrow.  Here's a reason to be confident about Molonglo ...

Molonglo River, (flows through)
Several Parishes,
County of Murray
Land District of Queanbeyan
Pastures Protection District of Braidwood
Local Govt Authority of Eurabodella Shire

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678243.0

and
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230389552 Gaz 2 Jan 1833

https://trove.nla.gov.au/


Grevilles 1872 directory: http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=338  (notice nearby localities)

JM

Thats brilliant JM.

I was really struggling to locate Molonglo on modern maps and all I could find was Molonglo Valley but your link solved that and judging by that is near Queanbeyan. Am I correct in saying all birth that happened in the A.C.T prior to 1930 would still come under NSW?

[TJ 007]

http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=106  BRAIDWOOD, Grevilles 1872 
and
http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=428 REIDSDALE same Dir.

JM

I looked at my transcripts/certificates and my Patrick was a Farmer labour in 1886 at Six Mile Flat and a Farmer by 1891 at Brushy Hill.
I did find Patrick Barrett on trove buying land with William McCaffrey in 1882 at Six Mile flat. It is him as 4 year later his usual residence on his marriage record is Six Mile Flat.
I had a look on the Monaro pioneers website and they have a Patrick Barrett born 1864 to Ellen Comans and Patrick Barrett.
They also have the Elizabeth Griggs as Patrick's wife. I just can't confirm it yet as it disagrees with my death certificate.
My Death certificate for Patrick in 1919 said His Father was Robert Barrett A grazier and Mary Green as Patrick's Mother.
I will try the Braidwood parish records as you suggested next week to try and get the parents of the marriage register.

Thanks to all I really appreciate the help given to me on this thread.

Kind regards
Tom

[majm]

Re NSW BDM and ACT to 1930 ... yes, on NSW BDM   


https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-birth-death-and-marriage-records/australian-capital-territory

NB: For births in the Canberra region prior to 1918 see the indexes of New South Wales. For marriage and death records prior to 1930 also see New South Wales. Registrations of these events in the Canberra region may be recorded under the Districts of Queanbeyan or Yass.

ADD
So, births less than 100 years ago, upto 1930, in the ACT were registered on NSW BDM records.  So, under 100 years rule, they are not yet displaying on NSW BDM online index.   BUT ... I am not sure if NSW Reg Gen forwarded copy of those ACT registrations to ACT BDM ... remembering NSW Reg Gen forwarded VIC and Qld etc through to those Reg Gens.   My reliable rellie who will know is currently on holiday.   

JM

[judb]

I'm not 100% convinced that "Molonglo" is his actual birthplace.

There was, certainly a hamlet/district/are known as Molonglo in the historic county of Argyle.  This area is much closer to Bungendore/Canberra/Queanbeyan.  The map I've linked actually shows "Balcombe's Hill" which is mentioned in the land sales cited by JM
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230389552 Gaz 2 Jan 1833
The other settlements mentioned in the Grevilles 1872 directory are south of Bungendore.

Link to historic map:
https://antiqueprintmaproom.com/antique-maps-plans/australia/maps-australia-act/county-of-murray

Almost all of the information about this family is centred on the Braidwood/Reidsdale area which is more than 65k from Molonglo. 

Judith

[TJ 007]

I'm not 100% convinced that "Molonglo" is his actual birthplace.

There was, certainly a hamlet/district/are known as Molonglo in the historic county of Argyle.  This area is much closer to Bungendore/Canberra/Queanbeyan.  The map I've linked actually shows "Balcombe's Hill" which is mentioned in the land sales cited by JM
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230389552 Gaz 2 Jan 1833
The other settlements mentioned in the Grevilles 1872 directory are south of Bungendore.

Link to historic map:
https://antiqueprintmaproom.com/antique-maps-plans/australia/maps-australia-act/county-of-murray

Almost all of the information about this family is centred on the Braidwood/Reidsdale area which is more than 65k from Molonglo. 

Judith

Thank you  Judith that is a very good map to look at and understand the area's a bit more in regards to each other.
All I really know of him are from the 2 certificates/transcripts. The marriage one says Molonglo as place of birth the death certificate says near Yass. They could be wrong or just a bit further a field.

I looked on Monaro pioneers list for Patrick Barrett and a few of the potential brothers and sisters were born at Araluen and then Braidwood. After that the one's born in the 1860's appeared to be at Reidsdale.
Which should be the time my Patrick was born. Maybe he is part of that family and when he his Mother was expecting she was a little further a field than Reidsdale? hence the other location?

Kind Regards
Tom

[TJ 007]

Re NSW BDM and ACT to 1930 ... yes, on NSW BDM   


https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-birth-death-and-marriage-records/australian-capital-territory

NB: For births in the Canberra region prior to 1918 see the indexes of New South Wales. For marriage and death records prior to 1930 also see New South Wales. Registrations of these events in the Canberra region may be recorded under the Districts of Queanbeyan or Yass.

ADD
So, births less than 100 years ago, upto 1930, in the ACT were registered on NSW BDM records.  So, under 100 years rule, they are not yet displaying on NSW BDM online index.   BUT ... I am not sure if NSW Reg Gen forwarded copy of those ACT registrations to ACT BDM ... remembering NSW Reg Gen forwarded VIC and Qld etc through to those Reg Gens.   My reliable rellie who will know is currently on holiday.   

JM

Thanks JM that could explain why my Patrick's birth doesn't show up on NSW BMD.

[majm]

I should also mention that I agree with Judith re birthplace... put it down to my wordsmithing... but I was confirming that Molonglo existed and locating it,  not meaning to confirm I knew it as the birthplace for your ancestor.

 

JM

[Dundee]

These obits for the siblings of Patrick (son of Patrick BARRETT and Ellen COMANS) imply that this Patrick died between 1932 and 1946.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/119357143
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/119263617

Debra