Author Topic: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796  (Read 1787 times)

Offline BronwenS

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,029
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« on: Sunday 15 July 18 00:23 BST (UK) »
Kia ora

This is what I have - am interested to find out how Edwin's parents were and where and when born etc.  Also trying to find where are they are buried.  Possibly St Philip's although I cannot find any list of the 60,000 buried there - have searched all the other churchyards in Birmingham.

thanks Bronwen on a cold misty day in Christchurch, NZ

1796 BLAND
Edwin John Bland husband of Sarah Brookes
b.1796 Warwickshire, Birmingham, Eng.
m.1818 Jan 28 Sarah Brookes, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
d.1849 Oct>Dec Birmingham, Eng.
Census
1841 Edwin 45 gun finisher, Sarah 45, Sarah 18, Catherine 16, James 11, Edwin 9, Harriott 6, Elizabeth 1, (Weaman Street, Birmingham 1018 Weaman St, multi story: office blocks, flats and car park building)

1796 BROOKES
Sarah Brookes wife of Edwin John Bland mother of Edwin
b.1796 Bilston, Staffordshire, Eng.
m.1818 Jan 28 Edwin John Bland, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
d.1863 Jan>Mar Birmingham, Eng.
Children 9
1818 Apr 4 William Bland, Cannon St meeting house, Baptist,
1819 Sept 3 Thomas Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1823 Sarah Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1825 March 23 Catherine Price Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1827 July 20 c1828 Jan 2 John Theodore Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1829 Mar 8 c1833 Jan 28 James Theodore Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng. Census 1861 James Bland 32 gas filler, Mary A Bland 30, James 11, Sarah 6, Catherine 4, Alfred 1, servant Ian Gammen aged 11.  1881 census James 51, widower, baker, boarder living with his son William 24 a button tool maker and 9 others at Brearly St West, Birmingham
1832 Feb 13 Edwin John Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1835 Harriott Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng.
1839 Nov 8 c1841 Jan 19 Elizabeth Bland, St Philip’s, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Eng. (reg to hand)
Census
1851 Sarah 55 Tool broker, Edwin John Bland law stationer apprentice, Harriet 17 lackerer, Elizabeth 11, 28 Steelhouse Lane, Warwickshire link to photo of steelhouse lane
1861 Sarah almswoman, 28 Steelhouse Lane, Warwickshire
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

Online emeltom

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,302
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 July 18 09:56 BST (UK) »
Baptism (from familysearch)
Edwin Bland 25 April 1796 parents Thomas and Mary

Marriage (familysearch)
Thomas Bland/ Mary Parker 1 October 1788 Birmingham

Burials (from the National Burial Index)
Thomas Bland 11 March 1813 aged 46 St Martin, Birmingham
Mary Bland 18 June 1837 aged 74 St Martin, Birmingham

Emeltom
Smith Tiplady Boulton Branthwaite King Miller Woolfall Bretherton Archer and many more

Offline ColC

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,619
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 July 18 10:53 BST (UK) »
Thomas & Mary married at St Martins as mentioned 1 Oct 1788 by licence, both were single of the parish, witnesses were William Garner & Sarah Bell all four signed.

Children baptised St Martins:
William Henry Bland 16 Jun 1791, Edwin Bland 25 Apr 1796, Theodore Bland 26 May 1800

There were also 2 at St Philips, may be same family?
James Bland 10 May 1793 & John Bland 28 May 1798

I could not find any baptisms for Thomas in Birmingham and no births in the Midlands but there are a few elsewhere, plenty of options for Mary in Birmingham.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

Online emeltom

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,302
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 July 18 11:21 BST (UK) »
Baptism

Thomas Bland 30 September 1767 Birmingham parents Thomas and Hannah
Other children to the couple James 1769 and Catherine 1771

Three possibles for Mary Parker in Birmingham 1760-1770

4 February 1764 John and Mary
5 October 1765 Michael and Mary
26 December 1766 William and Elizabeth

Emeltom
Smith Tiplady Boulton Branthwaite King Miller Woolfall Bretherton Archer and many more


Offline ColC

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,619
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 July 18 12:39 BST (UK) »
Thomas & Hannah were married in Harborne and the OPR is on A...ty also Catherines baptism in Birmingham but not the boys. I will check the years to see if the records exist.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

Offline ColC

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,619
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 July 18 12:48 BST (UK) »
Thomas Bland    Marriage   1 Mar 1767   Harborne, St Peter   Hannah Smith


Thomas Blank   Baptism    30 Sep 1767   Birmingham, St Martin

James Gland   Baptism    29 Sep 1769   Birmingham, St Martin

Catherine Bland   Baptism    28 Jun 1771   Birmingham, St Martin

Well at least they got it right once.

Colin

PS: Thomas was a widower at his marriage, Hannah was single.
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

Offline ColC

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,619
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 July 18 13:21 BST (UK) »

Possible Baptism on Freereg.

Thomas Bland baptism 7 Jan 1743, Moor St Unitarian New Meeting House, Birmingham, parents Thomas & Mary

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

Offline BronwenS

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,029
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 July 18 23:42 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the great responses.  This is extremely helpful.  I have been on 'family search' many times but somehow or other I had missed the information Emeltom thanks. 

Two things I would like to know - how could I ascertain which of the three are Parker's parents.  Is there anyway of finding out what these people did for a living.
Nga mihi Bronwen - another drizzly cold day!
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

Offline ColC

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,619
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: BLAND Edwin John in Birmingham 1796
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 July 18 11:27 BST (UK) »
There was an additional OPR on A….ty both of these are at St Martins the other St Philips so maybe less likely?

Mary Parker   Birmingham, St Martin   John & Anne
           Baptism      6 Mar 1764    -      Burial     19 Nov 1764   

Mary Parker Baptism    4 Feb 1764 Birmingham, St Martin John & Transcribed as Lydia but is Mary (Lydia was the next entry)

The problem with both of these they do not fit the normal naming pattern.

First son was named after the father's father.
Second son was named after the mother's father.

The only one in the Midlands I can find is:
Mary Parker 15 Aug 1763 St Peter, Wolverhampton - Parents James & Margaret

Mothers name does not fit naming pattern?

First daughter was named after the mother's mother.

Then again not all families followed the rules.

Sadly the OPRs do not give much if any extra detail until after 1813.

So not an easy task unless you can eliminate them one by one.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.