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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #99 on: Monday 13 August 18 19:48 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I was getting confused.
So, you are looking for a birth registration, is that right?
Somehow, I thought you had that but I can see now, maybe not.

Sorry no
The members found William Yates marriage certificate to Catherine mcdonnell/McDonald
Also
Her mother's( Catharine ryan ) wedding to William mcdonald and I purchased her second husband Bryan barlows wedding certificate , as the members requested so we could see they were the same person .
Iam trying to locate Catherine McDonald's birth details .
Although linked to the other thread , I thought as it included Yates part it shoukd be here .
If it's in the wrong place I will request it to moved

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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #100 on: Monday 13 August 18 19:56 BST (UK) »
It is confusing as the two threads are about different topics but obviously linked.
I was just trying to clarify in my own mind which Catherine you were looking for, sorry.
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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #101 on: Monday 13 August 18 19:58 BST (UK) »
It is confusing as the two threads are about different topics but obviously linked.
I was just trying to clarify in my own mind which Catherine you were looking for, sorry.
Yes I agree maybe it's better with the Ryan side but thank you for all your kind assistance

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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #102 on: Monday 13 August 18 21:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you Maiden stone
Still struggling to locate william Yates wife Catherine mcdonnell/McDonald birth records
When I search the GRO and lbmb
With 1895 + -10 years
McDonald Catharine 1844 ancoats lancs
Mmn Yates 🤔
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Do you mean the birth record for Catherine McDonnell/McDonald, daughter of Willliam McDonnell/McDonald & Catherine (maiden surname Ryan) who was born sometime in 1840s?

I suspect you're getting mixed-up with the 2 Catherines. Catherine McDonnell's mother's maiden name was Ryan, not Yates. That 1844 birth  Ancoats district was not her.
Was year 1895 in your post a mistake?

I advise you to leave the search for Catherine McDonnell's birth to one side for a while and revisit it occasionally over the next 2 years.
 Reasons for this advice:
 1.A small team of volunteers from Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society are adding mothers' maiden surnames to indexes for districts in Manchester. They began 4 or 5 years ago and expect to complete the project 2020. When each batch is completed mothers' surnames are uploaded to Lancashire BMD. For more information see M&LFHS website. Click on "Projects" at top of page for more information and to follow progress. (I recommend that you join M& LFHS.)
2. Some births weren't registered in the early days, as Bumblebee said.  Bumblebee also pointed out that Catherine was probably bapised Catholic and R.C. baptisms are hard to locate, even where records survived.
3. Continuing the search at this stage will be fruitless and cause only frustration.
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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #103 on: Monday 13 August 18 23:35 BST (UK) »
I assume i can't  search rc records ?

 Locating Catholic registers is not easy.
 LANOPC began adding a few in recent years. There are new additions to LANOPC every few weeks. I check "What's new" regularly. Familiarise yourself with LANOPC if you haven't already.
 Manchester & Lancashire FHS website has a list of R.C. churches in Manchester with dates & whereabouts of registers. Some churches had cemeteries. There's one index for all the registers, searchable by surname.
 Catholic Family History Society has some Manchester registers on cd.

Catholic registers are the property of the church and diocese. A Catholic baptism register is a working document for the parish priest because marriages are added to a person's baptism entry wherever the marriage takes place. When a register was no longer needed at the church it was deposited at Diocesan Archives. Salford Diocesan Archives was without an archivist for a considerable time. I don't know present situation.

Not all Catholic registers survived from this era. England was a mission country for the Catholic Church when Catherine McDonnell was born, with a shortage of priests especially in cities and industrial towns. There were no dioceses with bishops to oversee things. There weren't even parishes for a long time.

 If you don't get a result with M&LHFS or LANOPC I would again advise putting the baptism search aside for the time-being and revisit it at intervals in the hope that records may become available. Seasoned researchers bang their heads in frustration when following Catholic ancestors. That's one of the reasons a specialist society was set up.

 I suggest that you get to know Victorian Manchester. Locate the place(s) your ancestors lived on old maps (can be viewed online). Consult M&LFHS, LANOPC and Manchester pages of GENUKI and compile a shortlist of Catholic churches in existence at the time that they may have used.  Searches for churches by distance can be done on GENUKI. This also has a map for each church. N.B. A Catholic Mission was often in operation for several years before an actual church building. Research the history of each church. Some have their own websites. Find out what local history societies exist. They may have websites or Facebook. A good family historian is a local historian. Hope this helps.
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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #104 on: Monday 13 August 18 23:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you maiden stone for all the great advise and the new records coming .
In regard to my post yes it was supposed to say 1845 ( I will edit).
I meant the birth record for Catherine McDonnell/McDonald, daughter of Willliam McDonnell/McDonald & Catherine (maiden surname Ryan) who was born sometime in 1840s
The only two I could find was Mmn Coyle and Yates .




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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #105 on: Tuesday 14 August 18 00:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you maiden stone for all the great advise and the new records coming .
In regard to my post yes it was supposed to say 1845 ( I will edit).
I meant the birth record for Catherine McDonnell/McDonald, daughter of Willliam McDonnell/McDonald & Catherine (maiden surname Ryan) who was born sometime in 1840s
The only two I could find was Mmn Coyle and Yates .

The birth registration for Catherine McDonnell with maiden name Yates is irrelevant to your search. This was for a child whose father's surname was McDonnell/McDonald and whose mother had maiden name Yates. Both surnames are common so not surprising to find them in combination in a city the size of Manchester.

The Catherine McDonnell/McDonald birth with mother's maiden surname Coyle was found before we knew that Catherine McDonnell's mother was Catherine Ryan prior to marriage. You can now set aside that birth as irrelevant.
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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #106 on: Tuesday 14 August 18 00:43 BST (UK) »
It is confusing as the two threads are about different topics but obviously linked.
I was just trying to clarify in my own mind which Catherine you were looking for, sorry.
Yes I agree maybe it's better with the Ryan side but thank you for all your kind assistance

I think Catherine McDonnell should stay here. As far as we know she was English. Much of her life is on this thread.  ;D  As long as it's clear which Catherine is under discussion, mother (Catherine Ryan/McDonnell/Barlow) or daughter (Catherine McDonnell/Yates) or grandmother (Catherine Maidennameunknown/Ryan). Two of them were probably Kitty and Kate in life.
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Re: Finding my Gp help plz for a newbie
« Reply #107 on: Tuesday 14 August 18 06:52 BST (UK) »
It is probably already on here but just to update here is the Kilkenny thread re Catherine Ryan/McDonnell/Barlow which has quite a bit of Information re the family in Manchester but not much re daughter Catherine born abt 1846

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=797846.0
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