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1851 census Confusion
« on: Tuesday 17 July 18 02:54 BST (UK) »
I'm a little confused with the following 1851 census

7 Windsor Terrace, Mile End Old Town  Tower Hamlets

William Page   Head             Marr   37   Rug Weaver   Born: Ratcliff Essex
Harriett   Do   Wife             Marr   60   Home           Born: Hampshire Weller?
Frederick Turtill   Son In Law  Marr   34   Public Writer   Born: Brighton Sussex
Harriet      Do   Wife             Unmar   24   Home           Born: Middlesex Bromley
Mary Ann  Do   Dau             Unmar   7mo   Home           Born: Middlesex Stepney
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The relationships don't seem to be correct or something's strange (or it's just me!)

Questions I have are -
When did William Page marry Harriet (surname unknown) - rather an age gap?
Fred was S-I-Law to whom?
Harriet was a "wife" but Unmarried
Did Harriet marry Fred' - if so, when, and what was her surname?
What was Mary Ann's surname as I cant find her birth

Any help would be very much appreciated

Thanks
Di

EDIT - added extra info, as, for some strange reason, it posted half way thru' and left bits out  ???

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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 06:45 BST (UK) »
1861 census - RG9/296 folio 8 page 9

William Page is now 47, and wife Harriet is 71.  A grandson living with them.

1851 census:

Possibility that Fredrick Turtill is actually "step son" rather than "son in law"
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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 07:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks BB

The 1861 is almost as confusing as Wm Page now says he was born in Lambeth Surrey - although his wife Harriet appears to be the same lady as per 1851.

If Fred' is a Step Son then I'd be even more interested in finding Harriet's surname/Maiden name - or even a marriage between Wm Page & Harriet.
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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 08:45 BST (UK) »
Could the two Harriets be Kidd in Stepney in 1841? Piece 713 book 11 folio 37 page 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVV-1WR

George Kidd x 2 in 1851, piece 1553 folio 810 page 3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNJ-HMK


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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 08:51 BST (UK) »
Father of George (and Harriet?) may have been Joseph, possible marriage to Harriet Pringnell (widow) in Stepney in 1826

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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 09:58 BST (UK) »
The odd thing is that there is a marriage, 7 Dec 1845, St Matthew Bethnal Green
Thomas Howell, Minor, Bachelor, Twine Spinner, 15 Seabright St
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Harriet Kidd, Minor, Spinster, 10 Seabright St, father Joseph Kidd, Mariner
witnessed by William Page, Harriet Kidd

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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 10:01 BST (UK) »
What was Mary Ann's surname as I cant find her birth

Birth reg
Sep 1850 Stepney 2 508
Howell, Mary Ann
mother Kidd

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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 10:28 BST (UK) »
Ohh that's interesting jonw65 - thanks very much for your efforts

After BumbleB mentioned a Grandson on the 1861 census I started to check the Kidd surname but failed to connect the dots

Must admit to being confused (still  ;D )

If Harriet Kidd (minor) married Thomas Howell in 1845 she can't be the wife of Frederick Turtil as per the 1851 census. Why isn't Mary Ann's surname noted as Turtill rather than Kidd on the birth rego'?

I've also tried to find Fred' with Harriet and Mary Ann on any later census but they seem to have vanished … immigrated maybe??

Thanks for your help anyway
Cheers

Di




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Re: 1851 census Confusion
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 22:00 BST (UK) »
I can't see marriages for any of those three couples in 1851, sorry. And the maiden name of Harriet still seems to be unknown if she was a widow when she married Joseph Kidd.
As to the birth certificate of Mary Ann, I wonder if Mr Howell was named as the father on it?
John