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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 July 18 22:09 BST (UK) »
Who, where and when did Colin marry?

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #10 on: Monday 30 July 18 23:33 BST (UK) »
finding no records for either her marriage to my great-great-grandfather Dougall McFadyen, or any reference to her on the birth records I have for the birth of my great-grandfather Colin McFadyen.

I find it strange anyone having a 'birth record' which doesn't name the mother at very least.

Not sure I'm understanding what the term 'birth record' means in this context?

A 'birth cert.' would name his mother at very least if illegitimate.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 14:31 BST (UK) »
I do not think that Amelia has the actual birth cert  :-\ Maybe just going by the censuses and SP index?

Big question as to whether Dougall is the father I would say. It could also be his sister Ann who is the mother. Young Colin shows as grandson to Barbara in 1891. Just because Dougall is in the house doesn't mean that he is father.

Amelia, best always to check the original docs. In this case, would be good to look at Colin's birth cert to see what shows...

Monica  :)
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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 22:17 BST (UK) »
What was the name/occ. of Colin's father on his marriage?

Annie



South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 01:41 BST (UK) »
There is also this record for a Colin McFadyen born Govan c1886

Name:   Colin McFadyen
Age:   5
Est Birth Year:   abt 1886
Relationship:   Son
Father's name:   Colin McFadyen
Mother's name:   Jane S McFadyen

Born:   Govan, Lanarkshire
Registration Number:   646/2
Registration district:   Govan
Civil Parish:   Govan
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   55, Harmony Row


Household Members:   
Name   Age
Colin McFadyen   21
Jane S McFadyen   26
Colin McFadyen   5
Annie McFadyen   3
Elizabeth McFadyen   1

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 13:42 BST (UK) »
Who, where and when did Colin marry?

Marriage 1915

MacFadyen Colin Birkenhead 8a 811
McLeod Annie

Death 1967

Mcfadyen Colin 85 Weston 7c 497 (born c1882)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 August 18 16:00 BST (UK) »
The 1891 census index at Scotland's People lists two five-year-old Colin McFadyens, one in Kilchoman and one in Govan.

From the census index on SP there are the following M(a)cFadyens

1891, Kilchoman 6/11: Barbara, 64; Dugald, 23; Colin, 5.
1891, Govan 27/27: Colin, 57; John, 38; Annie, 34; Donald, 30.
1891, Govan 29/7: Jane S, 26; Colin, 21; Colin, 5; Annie, 3; Elizabeth, 1.

1901: Govan 47/7: Colin, 70; Annie, 39; Dougald, 31; Colin, 15
1901: Govan 29/30: Colin, 40; Jane, 37; Annie, 13; Elizabeth, 11; Robert, 8; Alexander, 6; Barbara, 3.

1911, Govan 30/18: Colin, 50; Colin, 25; Annie, 23; Elizabeth, 21; Robert Shepherd, 19; Alexander, 16; Barbara Ferguson, 13.

Noting the death of Barbara McFadyen, other surname Ferguson, in Govan in 1898, and a marriage of Colin McFadyen to Jane Shepherd (not Hart) in Govan in 1884, I deduce the following

Colin McFadyen and Barbara Ferguson had at least 5 children
Ann, born 1856
Colin, born 1858
Donald, born 1860
Alexander, born 1862
Dougall, born 1864 (his birth certificate will tell you the date and place of his parents' marriage)

Colin born 1858 married Jane Shepherd in 1884 and had
Colin, born 1885
Annie Shepherd, born 1887
Elizabeth Shepherd, born 1890
Robert Shepherd, born 1892
Alexander, born 1894 died 1979
Barbara Ferguson, born 1898 died 1986

Suppose that Colin was counted twice in the 1891 census, once with his parents and once staying in Argyll with his grandmother, and that the 21-year-old Colin's age in the 1891 census index is a mistranscription of 31, and it all fits together.

Jane McFadyen, other surname Shepherd, died in Govan in 1910.

I wonder if the 76-year-old Colin McFadyen who died in Kilchoman in 1901 was Barbara Ferguson's widower?

However it doesn't prove anything because it doesn't match what Amelia said in her first post.

Amelia, you have to go back to basics. Was Annie McLeod your great-grandmother? If so, you need to buy a copy of the marriage certificate of Colin McFadyen and Annie McLeod in 1915 to check what Colin's father's name really was.

If his marriage certificate says his father was Colin, the answer to your original question is probably that your great-great-grandmother was Jane Shepherd. If his marriage certificate says his father was Dougal (or some variation), then most of this thread is about as much use as a fish flapping about in the bottom of a fisherman's boat - lots of activity but basically going nowhere.

If you don't know for certain that the name of your great-grandmother was Annie McLeod, you need to go forward another generation or two until you find a provable fact, and then start working back again.

Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 August 18 20:50 BST (UK) »
Ok - to move things along here is the birth of Colin McFadyen in Govan
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Re: Wife of Dougall McFadyen
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 August 18 20:53 BST (UK) »
That's great, but Amelia still needs to verify that the father of the Colin she is looking was in fact Colin not Dougall.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.