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Offline goldie61

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Latin marriage licence 1626
« on: Saturday 21 July 18 10:52 BST (UK) »
This is between John Mottram and Maria Taylor.
I can see Mottram, and her name. I think there must be some of the right hand side missed off - perhaps the book binding was too tight to get a good scan.

I'd be grateful for any more information - I think I can see her parish was Prestbury - unless they are both of Prestbury (a possibility).

Thanks very much.
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Re: Latin marriage licence 1626
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 July 18 16:52 BST (UK) »
I can't add a lot to what you have already.

The date is the first day of the aforesaid month.

The first line references a dispensac(i)on - possibly by letter.  I wouldn't want to speculate on what it's for.

It's definitely truncated at the right, but probably only by one short-ish word.

I think both are of Prestbury as his parish, if separate, would come after his surname.

There is another name - the person sworn is Rogerus Johnson.  I suspect he is a clergyman as the first word on the last line is Canon (word ending unknown).

I imagine you have Stockport at the start of line 2.  Another place is mentioned in line 1 - Manckesfeild would be my reading.

As always, Bookbox will give you the definitive answers.

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Re: Latin marriage licence 1626
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 July 18 17:39 BST (UK) »
Letters of dispensation were granted to the curates of Manckesfeild (or wherever) and Stockport for licence/permission to solemnise a marriage between Mottram and Mary Taylor of the parish of Prestbury (...) without banns, saving etc., Roger Johnson(?) as surety etc.

I think the inference is that they were both of Prestbury, as there isn't space for another parish. Roger Johnson(?) was the bondsman. I think the word that looks like canon is a contraction of cautionarius.

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Re: Latin marriage licence 1626
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 July 18 20:23 BST (UK) »
Try Macclesfield for Manklesfield.   ;D

When I look at the whole page online, there is no place given for ANY of the grooms that I can see. So I'm not sure that you can draw any inference from the lack of a space for one. Later licenses do have a place given for the groom, if he's from a different parish, but none of them showing one at this date.
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Re: Latin marriage licence 1626
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 July 18 22:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks everybody.
Yes, it's  Macclesfield - just up the road from Prestbury.
Interesting point you picked up about lack of particular parishes for the grooms Prawn Cocktail.
Pity, as I know there are at least 3 John Mottrams around this area at this time - hence the need for a particular place. The PR is one of those unhelpful ones that just gives the two names of the bride and groom, and nothing else!  :(

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Re: Latin marriage licence 1626
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 July 18 08:09 BST (UK) »
Yes, it's  Macclesfield

The letter before the -es is questionable.

Disregard the line at the top (not the fainter angled one) and it's an l.  Include the line at the top and it's a not-very-well-formed k.

If you take it as an l, the word could be Mauclesfeild.

But it's not written Macclesfeild - too many minims.