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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 July 18 14:49 BST (UK) »
Yes that makes sense Colin. Certainly a transcription issue for 1851.

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 July 18 15:28 BST (UK) »
JOHN JOHNSTONE married ELIZABETH CLARK, Gretna Nov 1828

1861 – Rigg Village, Gretna. John 51, Elizabeth 69 both noted as born Gretna. (An…ty transcript)

However 3 John’s on SP age 51 but the only one with an Elizabeth is 62, this ties in with the 1851.

Still there in 1871 age 61 & 73 both born Gretna.

JOHNSTON    ELIZABETH   74   Died   1872   Gretna
Only baptism for Elizabeth around that time
CLARK ELIZABETH THOMAS CLARK/JEAN GASGIL    10/01/1797   Gretna

JOHNSTON    JOHN   69   Died   1880   Gretna
Likely baptism for John:
JOHNSTONE   JOHN   DAVID JOHNSTONE & JANET COLTART    20/06/1809   Gretna

The name middle name for children in Scotland is often but not always the grandmothers maiden name. Not in this case it seems?

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 July 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
This is so helpful ColC, thank you. It's so interesting.

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 July 18 18:19 BST (UK) »
JOHN JOHNSTONE married ELIZABETH CLARK, Gretna Nov 1828

1861 – Rigg Village, Gretna. John 51, Elizabeth 69 both noted as born Gretna. (An…ty transcript)

However 3 John’s on SP age 51 but the only one with an Elizabeth is 62, this ties in with the 1851.

Still there in 1871 age 61 & 73 both born Gretna.

JOHNSTON    ELIZABETH   74   Died   1872   Gretna
Only baptism for Elizabeth around that time
CLARK ELIZABETH THOMAS CLARK/JEAN GASGIL    10/01/1797   Gretna

JOHNSTON    JOHN   69   Died   1880   Gretna
Likely baptism for John:
JOHNSTONE   JOHN   DAVID JOHNSTONE & JANET COLTART    20/06/1809   Gretna

The name middle name for children in Scotland is often but not always the grandmothers maiden name. Not in this case it seems?

Colin

A Gasgil now that's a new name I haven't come across. Thank you.

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 July 18 19:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your responses. Just to conclude from me unless you need more.

4 David marriages 1851 - 1861 only 1 to Elizabeth.
DAVID JOHNSTONE to ELISABETH DINWOODIE   14/01/1855   Dryfesdale

On the 1861 census they had 3 children born Gretna, no church baptisms but there are statutory registrations for John & Mary Elizabeth on Scotlands People which will name the mother. 

1861 James is noted as son in law with Mary Scott and her two children Gilbert & Mary.

FRANCES SCOTT & MARY TWEDDIE parents of Gilbert & Mary Scott. (1861 census) – James married Mary

JAMES JOHNSTON to    MARY SCOTT   1860    Gretna (Stat Reg)

Nothing in between but:

1891  55 Senhouse St, Maryport, Crosscanonby, Cumberland
James 58 & Mary  53 both born Gretna.
Occupation difficult to read except for the word Agent.

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Colin
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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 July 18 19:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you once again.
I've got an Elzabeth Graham that he was married to 1855 Middlebie? Matpyve this is incorrect?

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 July 18 19:54 BST (UK) »
Yes that also looks likely SP both marriages in 1855.

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 July 18 19:58 BST (UK) »
Yes that also looks likely SP both marriages in 1855.

Colin
 So confusing ??? ???
Which one do you think is correct ColC?

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Re: David and James Johnstone - Gretna
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 July 18 21:07 BST (UK) »
Would Gasgil change to Gaskill?