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WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« on: Wednesday 25 July 18 11:09 BST (UK) »
William John Smyth(Smith), ex 12th Royal Irish Rifles, died on 22 April 1918 at Carncoagh, Ballymena.
In 1901,William(6) was living with his parents William (iron ore miner) and Maggie plus siblings James , Robert and Martha at Carncoagh. By 1911, Maggie had re-married to another miner, Samuel Hamilton - family still in Carncoagh townland. William's death was registered in Broughshane by his step-father, Samuel Hamilton.

Does anyone out there know where William John Smyth (or Smith, the spelling varies) is buried.?
Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 July 18 09:27 BST (UK) »
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 July 18 11:06 BST (UK) »
A Samuel Hamilton of Carncoagh seems to have owned a plot or two at Kirkinriola Graveyard (albeit it looks as if those weren't regstered until 1921).

A Mrs Margaret Smith, Carncoagh, owned a plot in Kirkinriola which looks to have been registered in 1904. Perhaps this was William's mother, Maggie, and she purchased the plot when she became widowed.

Headstone records at http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx include ones for Smyth in Kirkinriola Cemetery, albeit with no further wording, so it is possibly one of those.
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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 July 18 11:18 BST (UK) »
Just checked, a William Smith of Carncoagh died 5th April 1904, present at death was wife Maggie, so this would fit well with my previous post.
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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 July 18 11:28 BST (UK) »
Of further note, the 1904 plot was number 780.

There is also an entry with same number, registered under a Margaret Hamilton, Carncoagh, which says see minutes of 7/7/23.
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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 August 18 15:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Scotsmum. Could you check the Plot No. for the grave in Kirkinriola purchased by Maggie Smith in 1904.? The cemetery records show that plot as belonging to an entirely different name - no mention of Smith/Smyth. Many thanks.

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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 August 18 17:05 BST (UK) »
The number is shown as 780.

I've noticed, however, that there is a note at start of list that says:

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Plot numbers given are the original system and are not to be confused with the current individual grave numbers
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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 August 18 17:39 BST (UK) »
That would explain it.  I suspect the 780 relates to the numbering system used by the now-obsolete local Council.
Many thanks - I will continue the hunt.

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Re: WILLIAM JOHN SMYTH (SMITH) WW1.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 December 20 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scotsmum. I'm coming back to this one after a bit of a time-gap? Can you tell me the source of your information re Kirkinriola graves. Current Council have no burial records pre Local Govt re-organisation in 1970. Do you happen to know who would hold pre-1970 records - if they still exist?
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