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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #9 on: Friday 27 July 18 00:48 BST (UK) »
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #10 on: Friday 27 July 18 17:42 BST (UK) »
Ancestors of mine married November 1861 in the local registry office and February 1862 in the local Catholic Church, following her baptism the same morning.
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #11 on: Friday 27 July 18 21:05 BST (UK) »
Ancestors of mine married November 1861 in the local registry office and February 1862 in the local Catholic Church, following her baptism the same morning.

My English Catholic ancestors had 2 wedding ceremonies before Catholic marriages were legal. Usually consecutive days or same day but in one case several weeks apart. So the possibility of 2 weddings in this case should be considered.
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 12 August 18 08:13 BST (UK) »
Can anyone tell me how common it was for a Church of Ireland person to marry a Catholic?

In the case of such a marriage, in which parish would the ceremony mostly likely take place? Or was it always the bride's or always the groom's parish? Also, in what religion would they raise their children?

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What religion they raised their children was up to them. But until the 1870s, the only legal options for a mixed marriage were:
a) Marriage in the United church of England and Ireland (which became the CofI after 1/1/1871), or
b) From 1845, a Registry Office wedding.
A "mixed" marriage ceremony performed by a Catholic priest was legally no marriage at all - simply null and void. Such a ceremony was also a criminal offense for the priest. This is why registration of Catholic marriages did not start until 1864 - the registrations being legal evidence for prosecution of such illegal ceremonies.
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 12 August 18 09:14 BST (UK) »
This article also mentions Catholic Church's opposition to civil marriage registration-
"In Ireland the Roman Catholic Church was concerned that this latter requirement might detract from the religious nature of the marriage ceremony. Consequently, provisions were introduced by the government in 1845 to enable the registration of non-Catholic marriages and for the appointment of registrars who were also given the power to solemnise marriages by civil contract."
https://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/GRO-History.pdf
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 12 August 18 16:21 BST (UK) »
This article also mentions Catholic Church's opposition to civil marriage registration-
"In Ireland the Roman Catholic Church was concerned that this latter requirement might detract from the religious nature of the marriage ceremony. Consequently, provisions were introduced by the government in 1845 to enable the registration of non-Catholic marriages and for the appointment of registrars who were also given the power to solemnise marriages by civil contract."
https://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/GRO-History.pdf

That may well be so, but it is only a partial or half truth. The other, perhaps dominant, reason is very evident from the content of debates in the English parliament over many decades (available online in Hansard), and from the direct wording of legislation (also online in various sites). It is clear that the illegal nature of mixed marriages weighted heavily. As there were actual prosecutions of clergy, this is easy to understand.
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Re: Church of Ireland & Catholic Marriages
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 12 August 18 16:32 BST (UK) »
Plenty of half truths out there....
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