1841 and 1851 look ups please

[Rosinish]

Agree, cuffie's find is very promising indeed.

Can you tell us what the initials of JW stand for?

"My original request is to find Charlotte and her new husband JW Barker in 1841 and later censuses"

Many people changed their names to avoid scrutiny or other such things i.e. if cuffie's find is correct, it may be possible for them to have changed their forenames a little e.g. Charlotte to Lottie/JW to WJ 

What sites are you using for the census' as possibly searching surname only may produce something but as Ruskie mentioned, later (up-to-date) census' will give her PoB which may help for at least 1851?

Annie

[Ruskie]

Annie ... John William Barker. 

Concentrating the search on Edmund should make finding Charlotte easier as the name is not so common, though I would also search Edwin and Edward, to cover all bases.  I also considered the possibility that Edmund might be away at school somewhere.

It is frustrating that all of them are missing .... so possibly a bad mistranscription or maybe the whole family are in Scotland. 

[whitej]

thanks to all for posting. I've been looking at FindMyPast Census and Scotlandspeople for 41 and 51.

Interesting comment in the article that Charlotte was dressed in widows clothes. That could mean her first husband, Edmund died early 1839?

It is also ties in with ref to the young man. She married Mr Barker in Feb 1840. There are addresses on the marriage cert. but they are not at same addresses in 1841.

[Ruskie]

How old was John Barker when he married Charlotte in 1840? What were their addresses?

The trouble with the Scottish censuses on the pay sites is that they are transcriptions and often leave a lot to be desired.

It is frustrating that none of them can be found on two censuses.

[whitej]

Hi

According to Gill Baker their addresses on marriage in 1840 are Conduit St and Maddox st both London.

There are Barker's with same first names in 41 and 51 for England but boy can I identify which if any are mine!

[whitej]

I am going to buy a sub to Ancestry or FindMyPast. Not just because of this but for other research.

[cuffie81]

How old was John Barker when he married Charlotte in 1840? What were their addresses?

On the marriage record of John William Barker and Charlotte Bach both their ages are simply 'full age'.


Of Charlotte's siblings the only one I can find in 1841 is her sister Sarah, married to John Stone and living in Stepney. After that point Ann Elizabeth, Alexander Philip and Emma Mary are all fairly easy to trace (apart from Priscilla, who I can't find any trace of).

It looks like both Charlotte's parents, Alexander Philip and Ann, were both buried at Whitefield's Memorial Church, off of Tottenham Court Road, not far from St George Hanover Square. Alexander was buried in 1833, aged 49, and Ann was buried in 1838, aged 51. There's a death registration for Ann, so it's possible one of the children registered her death and their address is recorded.

GRO death registration:
1838 Q1 Death - Ann Mayland; 51 (born c1787); Strand Union; 01; 400


Whitefields Memorial Church
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.5205&lon=-0.1354&layers=163&b=7
https://maps.nls.uk/view/103313021#zoom=5&lat=9611&lon=11556&layers=BT
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.52107/-0.13538


EDITS:
1) Corrected burial date of Alexander Philip Mayland. It should have been 1833 and not 1883.

[whitej]

Cuffie - really interesting info. Thanks very much for posting it. It gives me lots to follow up on.

[whitej]

Just found this is London Gazette for Edmund the first husband;

Bath, Edmund, formerly of Charles-Street, Hatton-Gardcn,
then of Francis Street, Pentoniille, Town Traveller to a
Glover and Dealer in Silk Handkerchiefs, then of No. 18,
Bartholomew-Close, City, then of Stacey-Street, Compton-
Stveet, Soho, then of Fiercer-Street, Long-Acre, then of
New Compton-Strcet, Soho, General Dealer, and late ot
J<fo. 18, Upper llathbone-l'lacefl Oxford -Struct, and also of
. No. 15, Tottenham-Street, Toitenhaui-Court-lloud, all in
.Middlesex, General Dealer and Coal and Potatoe-Dealer.