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POW's
« on: Friday 27 July 18 12:44 BST (UK) »
I see on FindMyPast they've lists of POW's, one of my relations was captured at Singapore by the Japs, in the description it says: Prison camp or ship PH, Ship name   A what does this mean?
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Rosser, Henderson, Chapman, Clarkson, Harper, Healey, Horth, Page, Bowers, Ritchie, Sheen, Smith and Weymark.

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Re: POW's
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 July 18 13:57 BST (UK) »
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Prison camp or ship PH, Ship name

Presumerably he was in a Prison camp or a Hell ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_ship

Not sure if FindMyPast want you to fill in which one or those are the results you got
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Re: POW's
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 July 18 17:17 BST (UK) »
If you haven't done it, look at the image for more details.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
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Re: POW's
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 July 18 08:33 BST (UK) »
Yes I've looked at the image but that is all it gives-no explanation for PH or A-maybe they don't know either!
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Rosser, Henderson, Chapman, Clarkson, Harper, Healey, Horth, Page, Bowers, Ritchie, Sheen, Smith and Weymark.


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Re: POW's
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 July 18 09:21 BST (UK) »
Could you post his details?  Checking the entry against others often produces clues,

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: POW's
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 July 18 09:11 BST (UK) »
He was Alexander Charles Tobitt b 28 May 1919 Salisbury, Wiltshire, son of Roland Muller Tobitt and Lilian Violet nee Edwards, the latter is mentioned on the POW certificate of 1942 lived at Great Yarmouth.
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 July 18 09:44 BST (UK) »
Could PH be the common abbreviation for the Phillipines?

Alexander C   Tobitt   5774359

British Army

Primary Philippine Camp: Bilibid

Survived the Sinking of the Hofuku Maru  1944/09/21

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/Hell_Ships/Hofuku_Maru/

List of other British Men at Bilibid:

http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/HudsonFast/BilibidCamp.htm

   
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: POW's
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 July 18 10:13 BST (UK) »
If you look at "Symon, John F   Cpl (British Army)   5776853   Japan   12/13/1944   N/A"
his service number is simmilar to Alexander Tobitt's.

Jack (John F Symon) was enlisted from Yarmouth he was 4th Battalion Royal Norfolks was Alexander C Tobitt also in this Battalion when it was captured at Singapore?

Photograph is he in here: http://www.far-eastern-heroes.org.uk/Hell_in_Five/html/4th_battalion_royal_norfolks.htm

Jack Symon and Alexander Tobitt were also on the Hofuko Maru together, Jack thinks only about 40 Pow surivived the sinking of 1,500 men :( http://www.far-eastern-heroes.org.uk/Hell_in_Five/html/journey_to_japan.htm


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Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 29 July 18 10:54 BST (UK) »
If you look at all the results in that data base for A Tobitt you will find more than one for your man, identified by his number or where he came from.  The data looks as if it comes from a series of inputs with the amount of information being added to each time.  For example, the first hit has prison ship Rakoyo Maru and A is National Archives.  My suggestion it that you look through all of them, ignore the few that aren't him, and you will have all the info there is.  The person who did the transcriptions knew why the actual ship appears in one record and PH in another, there is no real way of knowing and frankly I think you can ignore the differences and just look at all the entries and the images.
Your man was in the same battalion as Whiteout's man, whether the ship's name means another voyage or is an error, don't know.  Whiteout may wish to add to this?

MaxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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