Hi
There is an older Joseph at Gedling street who must be the father to the rest of the later Josephs,
in the Nottingham Evening Post Joseph Willsher 27, Hawker of Gedling Street, was up before the courts on the 19 July 1930, he would be the father of Joseph Henry who lived with him when they were both at 8 Fairholme- terrace, Storer-Street, Joseph Henry you say went down the south and had a son Joseph, below may be the father of all of them his name to was Joseph he to is at Gedling Street he would be the father to the Joseph Willsher 27 listed above who inturn is the father to Joseph Henry who then is the father to the Joseph you talk of as being your relation.
Extract
Nottingham Evening Post Thursday 9 August 1923
Joseph alias (Jim) Wiltshire 50, of 6 Gedling Street described by the Police as a Poacher was up before the courts for assault.
A DERBY DISTURBANCE. NOTTM.
HAWKER HIS WEALTHY SONS-IN-LAW.
Nottingham 1919
A melee in the Derby Cattle Market on Friday, in which prisoner was rescued from custody and a
constable had to make use of his staff, had a sequel at the police-court to-day. Joseph Wiltshire, hawker, 6, Gedling-street, Nottingham, was fined 10s. assaulting Pc. Bristow, and for assaulting Special Constable H. A. Wallace (market superintendent), whom he struck several times on the face and body; while Alfred Smith, dealer, living in a van at Cotton-lane, was fined 7s. 6d. for fighting. Bristow apprehended Smith and his antagonist, whereupon Wiltshire (the father-in-law of the men) and others intervened and succeeded in getting one of the prisoners away. Wiltshire then ran off, but was stopped by Mr. Wallace who told the Bench that Wiltshire made a mad struggle for freedom. Wiltshire, against whom there were eight previous convictions. including one for police assault, stated that his sons-in-law had a lot of money in their possession and was afraid they would be robbed.
I have many records of Josephs, this one below also mentions Nottingham, there are many more.
while reading through them i know that at any one time there are multiple Josephs and Williams plus more names, Sue of the Romany Genes web site showed me how they all linked up, She found many many Census records over time, in the time of this older Joseph above from Gedling Street there are many records showing them moving around Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire, Derbyshire and more, it is all there on the census reports, i would say there is a good chance that the Josephs you chose to look for may link with the rest of them, but i do not know.
Brampton Chesterfield Derbyshire 1866
Shocking Depravity
At the County Magistrates at Chesterfield Tuesday last.
Joseph Wiltshire 22 of Nottingham itinerant Gipsy besom maker and Emma Graham 34 alias knight pot hawker of south sea Hants the latter charged with having stolen five pounds three shillings the property of David Allen pot hawker of Boroughbridge Staffordshire in the Griffin inn Brampton and the former with having feloniously received the same, but the prosecutor on not appearing they were both discharged, it was stated that the male prisoner knocked him down and when on the floor the woman cut out his pockets, They were then charged by Maria Knight (wife of the male, and daughter of the female prisoner) with assaulting her Saturday night, it was stated that Wiltshire was living with his own Mother in law as Man and Wife, the case was dismissed as the parties did not appear.
