Author Topic: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate  (Read 3565 times)

Offline ohbodder

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 37
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« on: Monday 30 July 18 20:42 BST (UK) »
Can anyone decipher the words on the bottom line of this description.  It gives a clue as to why this woman's husband isn't the father of her child, but I can't make out the crucial part of the bottom line.

I think I can make out:-
Morrison (Baker) who she declares
is not the father of this child
having been _______ of (Scotland?) for four years.

Thank you
Hancock, Hatton (Birmingham), Price and Fisher (Gloucestershire), Cyphas (Oxfordshire), Ensor and Morrow (Coventry), Fieldhouse (Uttoxeter)

Offline craggagh

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 593
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 July 18 21:06 BST (UK) »
Hello -

".....having been furth of (outside) Scotland for four years."

craggagh.

Offline Greensleeves

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,495
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 July 18 21:09 BST (UK) »
I agree - I was just about to post the same thing!

Regards
GS
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline ohbodder

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 37
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 July 18 23:32 BST (UK) »
That makes sense, I wonder where he'd been.
The woman had had another illegitimate child a couple of years before.

Thank you both
Hancock, Hatton (Birmingham), Price and Fisher (Gloucestershire), Cyphas (Oxfordshire), Ensor and Morrow (Coventry), Fieldhouse (Uttoxeter)


Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 03:22 BST (UK) »
That makes sense, I wonder where he'd been.

If you post all details of your man in question regarding your post (including the yr/place (area) of the snip you posted), marriage details/parents/place & approx. Dob/occ. etc (any details you have) I'm sure there's a chance of help available here  ;)

Can you please include what you do know of his whereabouts when/where/death (all to help trace the missing yrs)?

If RCers can't find him, no-one will!  ;D

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

Offline ohbodder

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 37
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 July 18 08:49 BST (UK) »

If you post all details of your man in question regarding your post (including the yr/place (area) of the snip you posted), marriage details/parents/place & approx. Dob/occ. etc (any details you have) I'm sure there's a chance of help available here  ;)

Can you please include what you do know of his whereabouts when/where/death (all to help trace the missing yrs)?

If RCers can't find him, no-one will!  ;D

Annie

He is Colin Murray Morrison b 24-6-1824 Edinburgh, Scotland parents Donald Morrison and Euphemia Mathieson
He is on the 1841 Scotland Census as Colin Mcintosh, mother has remarried to an Archibald McIntosh.
He is on the 1851 Scotland Census as Coleen Morrison 26, Baker (Journeyman)
In 1852 he married Isabella Morrison in Edinburgh.
They have two children, Donald in 1854 and Isabella in 1856
Isabella and the two children are on the 1861 census.
On the 1871 census Isabella has married William Churchill and has five children, Donald and Isabella, plus:-
Jane, who on the census is the same as a daughter Isabella, but wasn't on the previous census, can't find a birth record for her.
Eleanor, age 5 (b1865) "illegitimate" on her birth certificate,
Isaac, age 3 (b1868) his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband.
All five children are Morrison on the 1871 census, and "Stepchildren" of William Churchill.
After 1851 I can find no record of Colin.

Rob
Hancock, Hatton (Birmingham), Price and Fisher (Gloucestershire), Cyphas (Oxfordshire), Ensor and Morrow (Coventry), Fieldhouse (Uttoxeter)

Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 23:55 BST (UK) »
"Isaac, age 3 (b1868) his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband"

Can you please tell us exactly what it says about the 'missing husband'?

Is he named on Isaacs birth, what was his occ. on that birth & the others?

"Isabella in 1856" What's written on her BC & who signed?

What is Isabella's marital status on the 1861 census?

"Jane, who on the census is the same as a daughter Isabella, but wasn't on the previous census, can't find a birth record for her"

I'm not understanding what you mean, sorry but what ages were each on the census' you have them on i.e. what was the yr of birth of each & where?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

Offline ohbodder

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 37
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 August 18 17:08 BST (UK) »
"Isaac, age 3 (b1868) his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband"

Can you please tell us exactly what it says about the 'missing husband'?

Is he named on Isaacs birth, what was his occ. on that birth & the others?


Most of the message about the missing husband is in the original post, but I missed the first line.  The full message in the father column is:-
Isabella Morrison wife of Colin
Morrison (Baker) who she declares
is not the father of this child
having been furth of Scotland for four years

"Isabella in 1856" What's written on her BC & who signed?

What is Isabella's marital status on the 1861 census?
I can't find births for Donald 1854 or Isabella 1856 (or any years either side).  I only have ancestry.co.uk's record of the 1861 census, not the original image, that states she is 'Head' of the family.

"Jane, who on the census is the same as a daughter Isabella, but wasn't on the previous census, can't find a birth record for her"

I'm not understanding what you mean, sorry but what ages were each on the census' you have them on i.e. what was the yr of birth of each & where?

Annie


On the 1861 census we have Isabella (mother) age 27, Donald age 7 and Isabella (daughter) age 5.
On the 1871 census we have Isabella (mother) age 36, Donald age 16, Isabella (daughter) age 14, but now there is also Jane also age 14, and Eleanor age 5 and Isaac age 3.
I have birth records for Eleanor and Isaac, Eleanor states illegitimate and Isaac's says that Colin isn't the father but doesn't say who is.

Hope this helps a bit more.

Rob

Hancock, Hatton (Birmingham), Price and Fisher (Gloucestershire), Cyphas (Oxfordshire), Ensor and Morrow (Coventry), Fieldhouse (Uttoxeter)

Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 August 18 00:16 BST (UK) »
"Most of the message about the missing husband is in the original post, but I missed the first line.  The full message in the father column is:-
Isabella Morrison wife of Colin
Morrison (Baker) who she declares
is not the father of this child
having been furth of Scotland for four years"


Thanks for clarifying which birth & what yr (1868) which was not obvious in the original post.

Have you looked for Colin migrating in 1864 & have you found any potentials?

Do you know of any other family connections in other countries where he may have gone to?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"