Catherine Ryan

[BumbleB]

We seem to have diverted back to England, unfortunately, and Bluemoonbaz has all this information.  Plus I've just discovered that son James married Mary Ann Phillips in Manchester in 1853 - they are shown as living at 68 Bennett Street with Catherine in 1861 and 1871 with their family.

In order not to waste people's precious time, perhaps concentration on the Irish side is the way to go.   

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude to anyone. 

[heywood]

You are not being rude at all and are right to point out that we have strayed from Kilkenny.

Soryy, but I did not see on the other thread, that information which I have posted on here.If I am repeating this I must have missed it and apologise again.
The Ryan family in Manchester were pointed out by Maureen but was not followed up.

My attempts here are to show that Daniel Ryan was in Manchester too at least from 1841 onwards and likely before as Catherine is already married by then and that as the family are living side by side, that it is very probable that it is Catherine’s family.

By going through English censuses, there is only the one birthplace from all the family which gives Kilkenny. The other thread was more about the Yates family etc so I don’t think this is a waste of time but perhaps others do.

Unfortunately, try as we have, there are no Kilkenny records which would definitely match up. There are a few Valentine Ryans and a couple of births with parents Daniel Ryan and Catherine but not this family names.
 
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I am not being rude either  just explaining my attempts to help.

[Bluemoonbaz]

Just wtd to thank you for all your amazing help.
I am new to all this and from knowing one gp in name only 😒 never met anyone .
Roots members are taking me back generations and in all different trails .
Iam trying to keep up with your help..
A roots member has helped sending me cencus records via email 👌  and iam reading through them but you are all quicker than me .
Sorry for not keeping up .and not understanding what it all means in family terms
Your help is amazing and very very much appreciated,  I hope you will all continue to assit me
Best regards
Barry

[heywood]

It’s a pleasure, Barry  As you can see we often get carried away.

Good luck with your research. Unfortunately, we didn’t get anywhere in Kilkenny but perhaps there is something out there.

Regards
Heywood

[BumbleB]

Just a little addition to this thread, and possibly NOT in Kilkenny. 

There are a few trees on Ancestry where it is THOUGHT that Catherine's maiden name was LINERGAN and that she was born in Ballalooby, Tipperary in 1787.   There are no supporting documents given for these assumptions.

Without supporting evidence, it is believed that Daniel Ryan and Catherine's first child was Valentine, born 1811 - again no evidence other than English census entries, which only state that Valentine was born in Ireland, along with John in 1823 and James in 1828.

[heywood]

Hi BumbleB,
Yes I saw that too but as you say no evidence, sadly. It also shows Daniel living in London in 1881 and the Valentine in Sheffield.
It is Catherine though who gives Kilkenny as p.o.b. 

Heywood

[BumbleB]

Yes, I know, but I thought it might have some credibility (although not a lot)    AND I hadn't spotted the 1881 entry for Daniel in London. 

[heywood]

It’s difficult isn’t it because I always think there must be some reason why the tree person believes that - perhaps Catherine  Linergan is mentioned somewhere in records.

[BumbleB]

Very difficult    AND we don't know who came up with the first idea, and then who followed who 

I just thought that if I mentioned it on the thread, then someone might be able to verify/refute the concept.

I openly admit that I have no knowledge whatsoever of Irish records