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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 09 August 18 21:42 BST (UK) »
Just been going through the 1871

Jane is with her father West Street

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZ2-LNS

The next page of the census is still West street where a family of Gray's are with a son John G Gray c 1848 who is a plumber/gasfitter

Ties to the family Girl Guide mentioned



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Moore, Leicestershire
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Kirkman, Leicestershire
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Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 09 August 18 22:15 BST (UK) »
Don't think I explained that very well, just listed them as he is so close by
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 09 August 18 22:43 BST (UK) »
Have had a look at the paper

Shields Daily Gazette 07 September 1878

Liquidations by arrangement
John George Gray, 4 Crowtree Road, Sunderland, plumber and gasfitter

details are in The London Gazette

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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #39 on: Friday 10 August 18 12:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Willsy

Thanks so much for your input, very interesting about the bankruptcy in the newspaper. I will be very hopeful that the death certificate is the correct one when it arrives.

Thanks everyone

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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #40 on: Monday 13 August 18 12:51 BST (UK) »
Well I have received the death certificate pdf file. I am trying to attach it without success at the moment. - I think it may be ok now

Sarah Prior present at the death was the informant. Unfortunately not John George isn't that typical.

Wife of John Grey (with an e not an a) plumber. Why John didn't report his wife's death and Sarah Prior did who knows. It does confirm she was the wife of John

So what do you guys think ??

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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #41 on: Monday 13 August 18 14:31 BST (UK) »
I think you can safely say that it is the correct death.

It may be that John wasn't the informant because he was not there when she died.  Sarah Prior may have been a neighbour who sat with Jane.

At least you can be sure that John George Gray was definitely a widower when he remarried.

There will always be aspects of family history for which you will never get an explanation.  The information is just not there to find.
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Re: George Gray born 1848 Sunderland - Help me break down a brick wall please
« Reply #42 on: Monday 13 August 18 15:14 BST (UK) »
Yes I think it must be him. But Sarah was the informant for the death certificate. I still would have expected him to have reported the death. Unless he was somewhere else and couldn't do it

As you say Girl Guide we cannot unfortunately join all the dots. Especially if there is no one left alive who would of known. It would be nice if I can more reasons if any of the Sunderland family may know if I can find anyone who knows up there if I am lucky to make contact with them.

I have found that most family history "stories" that i have been told in the family have been true. But no one knew anything about George unfortunately . I will let you know if I am successful

Now onto finding out about "Millers Wharf" that apparently was owned by one of my Miller relatives right by the Tower of London