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Re: Manchester R O
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:20 BST (UK) »
1856 baptism for eldest child isaac https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTTN-YRZ

LancashireBMD also has an 1857 birth registration for Francis Vernon, in Manchester same MMN
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:30 BST (UK) »
Lancashire BMD
Shows Francis Vernon mmn Hitchin in 1857

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Re: Manchester R O
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:32 BST (UK) »
Marriages March 1850   
Hitchens    Mary        Manchester    20   374    
Vernon    Isaac         Manchester    20   374
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« Reply #12 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:35 BST (UK) »
You got them! The mother married James Newton in 1873 at Stockport and was widowed again then lived with daughter Sarah Ford who was thought to be the wife of Francis in 1881. Isaac died in 1881 aged 24 and Elizabeth was his widow. There is nothing in Hull for Francis, he married our relative Mary Green in Manchester in 1889.
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:36 BST (UK) »
Deaths March 1861   
Vernon    Isaac   aged 41      Hull    9d   137
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:44 BST (UK) »
I hadn't seen the 1857 for Francis the GRO has them both in December 1856. There were two elder sons Enoch and Thomas also baptised but none for Francis and Sarah.
I found an newspaper article in Hull Packet in 1858 where the father who was a carter had knocked down a boy who was taken to a bone setter, it says Rulley Accident.
Wonder if he was born in Hull but registered in Manchester?
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 06 August 18 23:45 BST (UK) »
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then lived with daughter Sarah Ford who was thought to be the wife of Francis in 1881.

Francis was her brother so how could they have married?

Francis was unmarried in 1881 and married in Derbyshire 1890 to either Ann Wragg or Mary Jane Kew

Daughter Sarah was also unmarried in 1881 and married John William Ford in 1882 also in Derbyshire
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Re: Manchester R O
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 August 18 10:18 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census had Frank the son in law of Mary and Sarah the daughter making it look as if they were married when they were siblings, that caused the confusion.
Sarah married Ford on January 9 1882 and Frank married Mary Green at Manchester Register Office July 15 1889.
 My friend in USA didn't know that Frank had begun life as Francis. There looks to be droves of Vernon's around Chapel en le Frith area. I think she will have to spend a few dollars to solve this one.  Thanks to all
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 07 August 18 10:47 BST (UK) »
Does Frank give his father as Isaac on his marriage certificate?

Son in law can also mean stepson.
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