Evelyn Watson

[pyghtle]

Hi...I am sitting here at my computer, still trying to fathom out another mystery about Evelyn when your email arrives! True Evelyn is missing in the 1911 census, then turns up in Teddington where you found  Caroline Ellis, so could she still have been the daughter of John Russell and Caroline Ellis, is that what you are thinking? She must have been very close to Roland, he was with her when he died and he called one of his daughters Evelyn she was my Aunt and another daughter Caroline, my Mother. Something else to think about.....Caroline Russell was born in Scarborough 1959, her maiden name was Caroline Thompson Cartwright! (Thompson was her mothers maiden name)

[pyghtle]

Sorry.....birth of Caroline should be 1859!

[arthurk]

Yes, what I'm thinking is that John William Russell and Caroline Thompson Cartwright married and had 3 children - shown all together in 1891.

In 1901 they are found in separate households - she as Carry Ellis in Teddington, and he with the children in Leeds.

EDIT:
The information below gives the wrong 1911 census entry for John William Russell. The correct entry is at RG14/27102 sch272 - see replies #54 & 55. I've removed the 1911 signature clip for John/Jack from this post as it's no longer relevant, and struck through the most misleading part of the text.

In 1911 they are again in separate households - she with Harry Ellis in Teddington and using his surname, and he at 1 Cawood Yard, Leeds (RG14/26920 sch42) as Jack Russell, with an Annie Elizabeth who is listed as if his wife.

I haven't managed to find a marriage for either of them to their new partners.

As luck would have it, both John/Jack and Caroline signed their 1911 census forms, so they can be compared with the ones in their marriage entry. Here they are (hopefully arranged in a helpful order) - I think they're pretty similar:

EDIT: John William Russell's signature on a 1911 census form can be seen at RG14/27102 sch272.

[pyghtle]

Your theory would certainly answer the question why was Evelyn in Teddington, I have been looking back through the files I have on the Russell’s and according to my records in 1881, they were living in Shakespeare Street  Leeds, all the family with Willie Ellis aged 7 as a lodger, Caroline’s Mother Ann Thompson was also living with them, then in 1891 they are living at 6 Lovell Terrace, I know this area and it is close to previous address, then in 1901 living at 16 Rock View with the 3 children, also same area, no mention of Caroline, I have Caroline as dying in 1900, this from Yorkshire BMD, but this research was a long time ago so will check if I can find record of a grave anywhere. Maybe I should be trying to find out who Willie Ellis was, and need to check the death dates for Caroline.

[KGarrad]

Remember that divorce wasn't easy, or cheap, back then.

So much easier to just tell people you were married!

[pyghtle]

Just found a death, Caroline Russell born 1859 died in Teddington  24th January 1920!

Looks as though you are right arthurk, another family “skeleton in the closet” I now must carry on and find out who Harry Ellis is!

That certainly explained why Evelyn was there.

[Ladyhawk]

Another bit to add to this. I'm not saying it's definitely the right one, but it looks interesting.

In the West Yorkshire non-conformist registers at Ancestry there's one for a Wesleyan Chapel in Richmond Hill, which I thought was Leeds. Most or all of the addresses given are in Leeds, but for some reason the pages are headed "Richmond Hill Bradford".

Here I've found a baptism of a William Ellis, son of Henry and Mary, of 14 Carbut Terrace, Leeds; born 15 Nov 1883, bapt 10 Jan 1884.

could this be William's birth entry

ELLIS, WILLIAM  mmn GLENTON    
1883  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 447   

There are also these entries

ELLIS, HENRY   mmn   GLENTON     
1872  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 328   

ELLIS, BRUCE   mmn    GLENTON     
1874  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 467

ELLIS, MARY   mmn    GLENTON     
1876  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 452
added - possible death of above Mary Ellis in Jun 1879 Leeds age 2

This is the closet marriage I found 1871

ELLIS   Henry   LENTON   Mary   All Saints, Leeds
ELLIS   Henry   LEUTON   Mary   All Saints, Leeds
LENTON   Mary     ELLIS   Henry   All Saints, Leeds
LEUTON   Mary           ELLIS   Henry   All Saints, Leeds

1881 RG11; Piece: 4521; Folio: 66; Page: 4
Henry Ellis 26
Mary Ellis   29
Henry Ellis   8
Bruce Ellis   6

1891 RG12; Piece: 3693; Folio: 37; Page: 3
Harold Ellis 37 widow bn Leeds
Harry Ellis   18
Bruce Ellis   16

Harold Ellis  Birth    1852  Leeds
Death        30 Mar 1917
Death    Teddington, London Borough of Richmond upon Thames, Greater London, England
Cemetery:   Teddington Cemetery

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137547111
Commission Agent
Lived at St Lucia, Hampton Road, Teddington
Buried 04 Apr 1917, aged 65
Inscription
In Loving Memory Of
Harold Ellis
(My Harry)
Who Fell Asleep March 30th 1917
Aged 65 Years Grave A.43
This Stone Was Erected By
His Beloved Carrie In Silent Grief
Who passed Peacefully Away
January 24th 1920
Age 61 Years

[Ladyhawk]

Henry Ellis age 20, mechanic, York Place father William, fitter
Mary Lenton age 20 Whitehouse Terrace  father William, Smith
Wits Joseph Hepson & Elizabeth Robinson, all made their mark (x)
Marriage Date:   27 Aug 1871 All Saints Leeds

[pyghtle]

I just logged on to say that I found Caroline’s death in Teddington cemetery, buried 24th January 1920, Roland died in 1918, so his mother and his sister were with him when he died.

Just had a quick skim read of your post Ladyhawk, but now going to go through it slowly, the memorial is really interesting, my mother (daughter of Roland) was called Caroline, but always known as Carrie!