Hit a Brick Wall - Irish link - Molloy and Kell

[Sinann]

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[Maiden Stone]

The Mark Molloy you have born 1852 was the second child of that name. His predecessor died as an infant. Birth and  death both registered in St. George sub district.

Birth registration 1849 Molloy, Mark  (mother's maiden name not on index)
Death registration 1849 aged 0
(Information from Lancs. BMD)

I couldn't see a birth registration for Mark Molloy, or variation on Molloy for 1852 or 2 years either side on Lancs. BMD or GRO. Where did you get his y.o.b. from?

Have you considered these births? Both in St. George sub district and with mother's maiden name Kell. Both found on Lancs. BMD.
1859 Melloy, Edward
1861 Molloy, Robert Emmet
Kell may be a mistake for Kelly of course. There were several Molloy births registered in St. George sub district with mother's maiden name Kelly. Equally, Kelly could be a mistake for Kell.

I didn't see a birth registration for William 1847 either. Nearest was Melia, sub district Salford Regent Road.


Edit. My 1st sentence should have read "The Mark Molloy you have born 1852 may have been the second child of that name" rather than "was the second child of that name". I was guilty of making assumptions. Unwise, especially as mother's maiden name wasn't on index for that birth. He might have been brother, cousin or no relation at all.

[garstonite]

Baptism: 22 Aug 1852 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Mark Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kell)
     Born: 10 Aug 1852
     Godparents: Wm. Kell; Anne B. Wilson
     Baptised by: H. Keary
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 26, Entry 7
     Source: Original Register
 
his date of birth in case you never had it 
ADDED   DATES OF BIRTHS
Baptism: 14 Jan 1855 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Roseannah Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kell)
     Born: Dec 1854
     Godparents: Thomas Dalton; Catherine Kell
     Parents' Marital Status: conj.
     Baptised by: Ed. Can. Cantwell
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 122, Entry 17
     Source: Original Register

Baptism: 24 Jul 1859 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Edward Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kale)
     Born: 25 Jun 1859
     Godparents: James Gaffney; Cath. Howith
     Parents' Marital Status: conj.
     Baptised by: M. Moriarty
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 182, Entry 3941
     Source: Original Register
 
DID YOU NOTICE Catherine Kell as a godparent - so another Kell to research that may give you more info

[Maiden Stone]

Baptism: 22 Aug 1852 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Mark Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kell)
     Born: 10 Aug 1852
     Godparents: Wm. Kell; Anne B. Wilson
     Baptised by: H. Keary
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 26, Entry 7
     Source: Original Register
 
his date of birth in case you never had it 
ADDED   DATES OF BIRTHS
Baptism: 14 Jan 1855 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Roseannah Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kell)
     Born: Dec 1854
     Godparents: Thomas Dalton; Catherine Kell
     Parents' Marital Status: conj.
     Baptised by: Ed. Can. Cantwell
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 122, Entry 17
     Source: Original Register

Baptism: 24 Jul 1859 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
 Edward Molloy - [Child] of Mark Molloy & Margt. (formerly Kale)
     Born: 25 Jun 1859
     Godparents: James Gaffney; Cath. Howith
     Parents' Marital Status: conj.
     Baptised by: M. Moriarty
     Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 182, Entry 3941
     Source: Original Register
 
DID YOU NOTICE Catherine Kell as a godparent - so another Kell to research that may give you more info

A Catherine Kell married a William Howarth 1858 at Manchester Cathedral. So the Catherine Howarth, godmother to Edward 1859 was very probably same woman as Rosannah's godmother. Marriage register on LAN OPC only goes up to 1830s at present. It should show Catherine's father's name & occupation. No guarantee Cath was aunt to the child; she may have been a cousin of some degree or great-aunt.
Interestingly that's 2nd example I've seen this week of parishioners of St. Patrick's marrying at the Anglican Cathedral.*  Possibly for reasons of cost, speed or convenience. Several couples used to be married in a single ceremony at  M/c Cathedral. St. Patrick's, Collyhurst served a massive parish, containing parishioners in the 10s of thousands at one time, because of influx of Irish. It was later split into smaller parishes. Maybe the priests were too busy with all their other duties they couldn't keep up with all the weddings. I think the nuns who ran the school were from Tipperary. 

* The other one is an enquiry about Catherine Ryan, who was from Kilkenny, next door to Tipperary. She was a contemporary of Mark Molloy & wife.

Notice that William Kell was a sponsor at Mark's baptism.
It's possible that the other sponsors were relatives.

                                               




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[garstonite]

you might want to look at this - register for free - some records are free to view - others have a small fee
110 results for William Kell in Lancashire
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same site has 11 results for Catherine
10 results for Mark Molloy
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[heywood]

Damaged census

1851 2230 page 15

Lees Street Manchester
William Kell 45 yrs ... Pensioner b Wiltshire
Margaret Kell 39 yrs
Samuel Kell 20 yrs b Chatham
Mary Ann Kell 18 yrs b Manchester
Cathrine Kell 15 yrs b Ireland
Wm Kell 13 yrs b Ireland
Thos Kell   10 yrs b Cheshire
Elizth Kell   granddaughter 1 yr

William, father of Catherine who married William Howarth was a Band master.

[heywood]

Marriage
15th November 1852 Manchester Cathedral
Mary Ann Kell and Lawrence Kendrick

Witnesses Mark and Margaret Molloy

[Maiden Stone]

Good finds Heywood.
Are you thinking that William Kell's occupation of bandmaster may tie in with him being a pensioner on 1851 census, possibly a Chelsea Pensioner and therefore a retired soldier?
Following on rapidly from that thought, his son Samuel was born at Chatham about 1831. Chatham, Kent? Naval dockyards? He and/or wife could have been in quarters there when Sam was born. Then it looks like Wm  was posted to Ireland for a few years. He may have had a couple of stints in Ireland. Can you tell where Margaret, the wife was born?

[heywood]

I was thinking Army for William.
Margaret was born in/on an ‘ocean’ which has been transcribed as ‘Irving Ocean’.