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Offline LindseyC

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Was that really a crime?
« on: Thursday 09 August 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

While revisiting a conviction record for one of the more 'interesting' people in my tree, I noticed that several of the other felons listed were found guilty of being an 'Incorrigible Rogue'!

I didn't know this was a specific crime!

US - Paton

Scotland - Paton, MacKenzie, Morrison, Urquhart, Bryce, Lindsay, Izett, Ferrier, Crawfurd, Strath,
England - Williams, Jones, Whitnall, Abbott, Rayner, Rowden, Hawker, Northcote, Seaman

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 August 18 23:31 BST (UK) »
Half the population would have a criminal record now if it was  ;D
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 August 18 00:50 BST (UK) »
Half the population would have a criminal record now if it was  ;D

And the prisons would be even more overcrowded!  ;D
US - Paton

Scotland - Paton, MacKenzie, Morrison, Urquhart, Bryce, Lindsay, Izett, Ferrier, Crawfurd, Strath,
England - Williams, Jones, Whitnall, Abbott, Rayner, Rowden, Hawker, Northcote, Seaman

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 August 18 00:54 BST (UK) »
Apparently .............Incorrigible rogues can sleep safely at night as  it is no longer a criminal offence to be one in England and Wales. ''Being an incorrigible rogue'', under the Vagrancy Act 1824, is one of 309 offences to be repealed and removed from the statute book (2013)
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

Offline Mike in Cumbria

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 August 18 09:11 BST (UK) »
Phew.
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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 August 18 09:24 BST (UK) »
Apparently .............Incorrigible rogues can sleep safely at night as  it is no longer a criminal offence to be one in England and Wales. ''Being an incorrigible rogue'', under the Vagrancy Act 1824, is one of 309 offences to be repealed and removed from the statute book (2013)

Wow! I can think of a few people who will feel much relieved!  ;D

Thanks, iluleah - you made me actually look it up, and I found this:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1379906/its-no-longer-crime-be-incorrigible-rogue-england
US - Paton

Scotland - Paton, MacKenzie, Morrison, Urquhart, Bryce, Lindsay, Izett, Ferrier, Crawfurd, Strath,
England - Williams, Jones, Whitnall, Abbott, Rayner, Rowden, Hawker, Northcote, Seaman

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 August 18 13:49 BST (UK) »
I was surprised by this too when I found my great grandfather was given 6 months hard labour in 1855 for 'being an incorrigible rogue and vagabond'. I looked it up because it sounds almost funny now but unfortunately he wasn't a very nice man and wouldn't support his wife and children, he was in and out of jail for this and other offences all through his life. Makes it interesting though ::) .

Patty  :)
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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 August 18 13:53 BST (UK) »
In my working days I was once called the happy clown of the office. I would much rather have been called the incorrigible rogue. It looks much better on a CV. And certainly better on a business card.

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Re: Was that really a crime?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 11 August 18 17:17 BST (UK) »
I was surprised by this too when I found my great grandfather was given 6 months hard labour in 1855 for 'being an incorrigible rogue and vagabond'. I looked it up because it sounds almost funny now but unfortunately he wasn't a very nice man and wouldn't support his wife and children, he was in and out of jail for this and other offences all through his life. Makes it interesting though ::) .

Patty  :)

If he was called Daniel and died in 1856, we might have something in common ;D

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