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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #9 on: Friday 10 August 18 18:59 BST (UK) »
You can't rule out the possibility that Emily was put in an orphanage & sent to Industrial school from there.
Often with institutions only initials are given so can be difficult to find.

Why would Emily have been in an orphanage though if she had family available to raise her?

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #10 on: Friday 10 August 18 19:14 BST (UK) »
The stigma of illegitimacy. Maybe Thomas Smith objected.
There's also the possibility she's there but left off the census.
I've had a look for information on the Stockport school but no records appear to exist.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #11 on: Friday 10 August 18 21:19 BST (UK) »
The stigma of illegitimacy. Maybe Thomas Smith objected.
There's also the possibility she's there but left off the census.
I've had a look for information on the Stockport school but no records appear to exist.

I was told the records might be at the National Archive in Kew. Are you sure there's nothing at all? :(

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #12 on: Friday 10 August 18 21:26 BST (UK) »
Quite a lot to digest.
A quick look reveals one anomaly (so far)
Gustave Black was 34 at marriage giving a rough birth year of 1841 but the Gustave Black dying in 1880 has a birth year of 1853.
Although ages given at death are often out 12 years seems quite a leap. Are you sure it's him?
To try & answer your question as to where Emily went after leaving Industrial school would almost certainly be domestic service as this is what these girls were trained to do.

Age at death 37.
1880 - 37 = 1843.  ;)

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 August 18 21:37 BST (UK) »
TNA do have some:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=stockport+%28girls%29+industrial+school

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Age at death 37.
1880 - 37 = 1843.
Doh. I'm not having a good day today.
I've been in the trenches most of the week & I'm thinking I have shell shock. That's my excuse anyway
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 August 18 22:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Elizabeth,

I'm glad to see you've got started here,if anyone can find something it's this lot!!!

I'll give the link to what ideas we've already suggested on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/localities.britisles.england.chs.general/11884.3.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx

Hope they have it solved for you by the morning  8)

Carol
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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 11 August 18 10:41 BST (UK) »
I've looked at the Stockport Archive & they only hold a letter. They don't claim to hold anything else.
The problem with TNA is that you will need to engage a researcher which won't be cheap but there doesn't appear to be anywhere else to go.
However their admittance books will tell you when she arrived & left. They may give the circumstances for her being there or just indicate which authority was responsible.
With regard to her natural father I'm afraid you won't know unless it states his name on her birth cert. which is rare but does happen.
Elizabeth may have taken out an illegitimacy order but most of these no longer exist but as she's taken up residence with Thomas Smith it's unlikely she did that anyway.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: The Mystery of Granny Emily (Emily Sophia Black)
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 August 18 11:57 BST (UK) »
I have suggested Cheshire Record Office too,but it seems as though records exist on the boys industrial school,not many are still around for the girls section.

Rootschat does have a few people who visit the National Archives at Kew.

Elizabeth, I would suggest that you put another request on the Common Room board headed something like Look at up Kew please,and then ask if anyone is going would they do you a massive favour. Once you get a response then explain to them exactly what you need them to look up.

Carol
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk