Help from Australia!!! (Very Specific William Wardrop)

[Anthony Wardrop]

Hello my name is Anthony,
                                      Please before telling me Ive posted in the wrong place, asked the wrong thing etc... please be kind as this is the first forum I have posted on and believe me I have paid a lot of money to ancestry sites before finally posting here.Three generations of Wardrops have passed on without one story of how we made it to Australia and where in Scotland we are from. William Wardrop who died on the 20Th August 1872 at 22 Melville Street, Glasgow at the age of 85 after working as a Chemist for almost 50 years as a chemist for Charles Tennant & Co St. Rollox. That would place him around 1787 born. The only reason I know these specifics is his son Joseph Bogle Wardrop placed them in the Sydney Morning Herald news paper in honour of his father, who to be honest without this strange obituary request I would have zero link to Scotland. if anyone has any way to find out where the grave could be any other family members any historical sites to look up Charles Tennant & Co old photographs as a Chemist is a specific job and even though I think there was 1000 employees you can guarantee a lot more would be labourers then Chemical Chemists. Thank you in advance to anyone who might even give me a direction. Cheers Anthony Wardrop
 



 

[Forfarian]

Hi Anthony, and welcome to RootsChat.

If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register, and invest in a few credits at modest cost, you will be able to download a copy of William Wardrop's death certificate. This should tell you the names of his parents, including his mother's maiden surname.

There are transcriptions of some of the census online at https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

In 1851, at 131 Trongate Street, Glasgow, were
Mary Wardrobe, head, married, 24, cap maker, born Rutherglen
William Wardrobe, son, 5, born Barony
Charles Wardrobe, son, 1, born Barony
William Wardrobe, father, widower, 62, chemist, born Barony.

Barony parish is part of Glasgow.

In 1841, at St Lawrence Street, Greenock, were
Walter Wardrop, 25, engineer journeyman
Jane Wardrop, 20
Willm Wardrop, 2
Willm Wardrop, 50, chemist
all listed as born in Renfrewshire.

For possible links to photographs and records of Charles Tennant and Co, start with https://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/glasgow-city-archives

Re ancestry sites, see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

[Anthony Wardrop]

Thank you for your help. Im starting to understand how our Australian files work but as soon as I cross the Border a new paper trail system starts again Ha! Ha!

[majm]

 

Welcome to RootsChat, Anthony.

Here is live link to the newspaper cutting you mention. 

 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13263316 10 Sept 1872 Sydney Morning Herald

Your Sydney based ancestor must have received that news via telegram if his dad died in Melville St Glasgow on 20th August. 

JM

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William Wardrop managed to get in the  1828-1912 - Post-Office annual Glasgow directory

https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/90162067?mode=transcription

[majm]

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13097442 18 Sept 1863 Sydney Morning Herald (NSW)
Joseph Bogle WARDROP marriage info

JM 

[Anthony Wardrop]

Hi JM can you please explain to a stupid 37 year old how the Telegram worked?. Are you saying that a member of the family in Scotland posted the Obituary so that Joseph the son in Sydney could see that his father had died?

[majm]

 

No,  I am saying someone in Scotland went to their Telegraph Office (which in the Australian colonies was part of the Post Office) and paid for a message to be sent via the telegraph lines in Morse code to Joseph to advise him that his father had died.    Consequent to this, Joseph then attended the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper offices (or their agents office in his locality) and paid for the information to be posted in the classified section of the newspaper.

Telegraphy .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy

Before the internet, there were faxes.   

Before faxes there were telexes

Before telexes there were landline telephones

Before telexes there were telegrams

Telegrams could be transmitted by using radio frequencies, but that was a Marconi invention, more recent than 1872.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi

Marconi telegraphy was WIRELESS

Before Marconi telegraphy it was WIRE as in copper wires strung between poles across land, and submarine cable across oceans...

dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot  http://www.linguanaut.com/morse_code.htm

all the above is in 'general terms'only and subject to briefness and of course lateness of the evening and relying on my grey cells and wikipedia. 


JM

[Forfarian]

I see from the NSW deaths index that Joseph Bogle Wardrop died in Sydney in 1899, and that his parents were William and Mary Ann. Does the actual death certificate say what her maiden surname was?

I also see from Trove and the NSW marriages index that Joseph was married in Sydney in 1863, and that he was a blacksmith.

At 233 High Street, Glasgow in 1851 were
James Hendry, head, married 43, blacksmith, born Cummertrees
Mary Hendry, wife, married, 37, born Pollokshaws
Joseph Wardrop, servant, 14, blacksmith apprentice, born Glasgow
Mary Wardrop, lodger, unmarried, 26, seamstress, born Glasgow
William Wardrop, lodger, 5, born Glasgow
Charles Wardrop, lodger, 18 months, born Glasgow

Now, it looks to me as if Mary, William and Charles may have been recorded twice in the 1851 census. But if so why?

In 1841, at 230 Castle Street, Glasgow, were
Mary Wardrop, 46
Mary Wardrop, 17
Alexr Wardrop, 15
Andrew Wardrop, 13
Isabella Wardrop, 9
Catherine Wardrop, 7
Joseph Wardrop, 5
James Hendry, 30, blacksmith
Mary Hendry, 25
all except James born in Lanarkshire.

From the index to pre-1855 births and baptisms on Scotland's People, the family of William Wardrop and Mary Hamilton included Mary, 1818; William, 1819; Mary, 1824; Alexr, 1825; Andrew, 1828; Isabella, 1832; Catherine, 1834; Joseph Bogle, 1836; George, 1839.

You could view any these baptisms at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk at a fraction of the cost of getting one NSW certificate (currently A$33, equivalent to GBP18.82, which would buy you 12 Scottish certificates)