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Frederick charles barnard
« on: Monday 13 August 18 15:49 BST (UK) »
My Granddad Pte Frederick Charles Barnard served in WW1 4/middlesex reg.He was medically discharged with an archive ref NLS1918_WList22. His service number was 14367. and his incident date was 28/12/1917.
How do I find out what his incident was from this information.
I know he was Mustard gassed, suffered shell shock and spent time in a sanatorium back in the U.K. before being sent back to the front at least two times

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 August 18 20:47 BST (UK) »
Your man appears on the Silver War Badge list on 17/3/19 discharged due to sickness.
This was with the Labour Corps & his number was 642960.
This was a common route for men who had suffered injury but were still fit enough for some kind of service.
I can't see a service record or pension record for him so one of the 60% destroyed in WW2.
His number gives an attestation date of mid/late 1912.
He was in the 1st. Battalion before being posted to the 4th. His entry date is the 11th. Aug. 1914 this is when the 1st. Batt. went overseas. The 4th. went 3 days later.
He was awarded the 14 Star. British War & Victory Medals.
One of the Old Contemptibles as they proudly called themselves.
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and his incident date was 28/12/1917
What does this mean?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 19:41 BST (UK) »
I am enclosing the info. I have from the forces war records site.
Thank you very much for the info you have given me. I had heard of the old contemptibles but did not realise he was one of them.

First Name:
F
Surname:
Barnard
Incident Details:
War Office Daily List No. 5451
Incident Date:
28/12/1917
More Information:
Entitled to wear a "Wound Stripe" as authorised under Army Order 204 of 6th July 1916. The terms of this award being met by their naming in this list.
Rank:
Private
Service Number:
14367
Casualty Listed As:
Wounded
Next Of Kin Address:
Tottenham, N.
Service:
British Army
Primary Unit:
Middlesex Regiment
Archive Reference:
NLS 1918_WList22
Middlesex Regiment during World War 1

I do have 3 of his medals. PIP. SQUEEK and WILFRED I do believe they are called.
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stephy

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 August 18 20:22 BST (UK) »
A wound stripe was worn on the left lower sleeve of the uniform.
It's quite possible this is when he was transferred to the L.C. See above post.
Nothing happening in the 4/Mddx. 28/12/17.
The date may be the day he was declared fit for service. No point in awarding a wound stripe if he's going to be discharged.
Good to hear his medals are still in the family. So many of them ended being sold or in the bin.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:03 BST (UK) »
How do I find out where he was and what he was doing.
I was 14 when he died in1958 but he never spoke of his memories

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:12 BST (UK) »
Without a service record it's impossible to say how or where he received his wound. You can take several months off the date he was declared fit.
All you can say is that he was with the 4/Mddx. at the time rather than the L.C.
You need to go back to March 1917 as a starting point.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:33 BST (UK) »
I don't know if this is any help. 4th battalion, The Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment).

4Aug1914 Devonport, 8th Brigade, 3rd Division. 14Aug1914 landed at Boulogne. 14Nov1915 to 63rd Brigade, 21st Division. 8thJul1916 63rd Bde. to 37th Division. 11Nov1918 63rd Bde, 37th Division France moving to Caudry, SW of Solesmes.

Source: British Regiments 1914-1918 by Brig. EA James OBE, TD.
Griffiths Llandogo, Mitcheltroy, Mon. and Whitchurch Here (Also Edwards),  18th C., Griffiths FoD 19th Century.

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:46 BST (UK) »
I've had a look a the war diary & just looking at a few pages they were taking small numbers of casualties almost on a daily basis so no real help.
I think your best bet are local newspapers which often reported on local men being wounded or killed and may give date & place.
Here also is a guide to finding information on casualties using the daily lists.
http://www.researchingww1.co.uk/ww1-casualty-lists
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Frederick charles barnard
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 August 18 11:59 BST (UK) »
Glad you mentioned local newspapers. Not seen those referred to before and neither have I drawn attention (rapped wrists). The local newspapers were full of deaths at the Fronts, including photographs. In 1915, my grandfathers sister lost a son (France) and step-son (Gallipoli) weeks apart. All the grisly details in the Lydney Observer.

Added: Also the Official History of the Great War, Within County there's probably a many volume copy which if you request the volume for December 1917, it will show where 37th Division was. narrative plus Front maps.
Griffiths Llandogo, Mitcheltroy, Mon. and Whitchurch Here (Also Edwards),  18th C., Griffiths FoD 19th Century.