Charles McDougal born c1813 - German born but British Subject

[Skoosh]

Altona was Danish I think?

Skoosh.

[whiteout7]

But I can't find any other children and no Carl/Charles.

More Familysearch  - Another two children?

Joes. Cornelius Macdougal (John/Joseph Cornelius MacDougal - perhaps?)
birth:   2 January 1801   
christening:   3 January 1801   SANKT MARTINI KATHOLISCH, EMMERICH, RHEINLAND, PRUSSIA   
father:   Jois. Macdougal
mother:   Annae Catharinae Risje

Hendricus Joes. Macdougal (Henry Joseph MacDougal- perhaps?)
birth:   17 February 1802 / 17 March 1802   
christening:   17 February 1802 / 17 March 1802   SANKT MARTINI KATHOLISCH, EMMERICH, RHEINLAND, PRUSSIA   
father:   Joes. Macdougal
mother:   Annae Catharinae Risje

Is Jois and abreviation for the latin Johannis meaning John?

[willsy]

Just found Elizabeth Kahle's marriage announcement

Hull Packet 16 November 1860

November 11, at St Paul's Church, Sculcoates, Hull, by the Rev. G. J. Garton, B.A., curate (by license), Mr John Whaley , Hawes Aysgarth, to Miss Elizabeth Kahle, of London, niece of Mr Samuel Lusby, of this town.

[willsy]

Found the marriage online and neither John nor Elizabeth have named fathers.
Witnesses are Samuel amd Mary Lusby

[willsy]

Just checked this one on the off chance 1860 US and he turned out to be a cigar maker!

Carl Mc Dougal 50 England

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCHW-BSF

There is a passenger list for 1857

Chas Mcdougal Cigar Maker

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27RP-LDH

Just noting the records as he seems to have appeared from nowhere

[rowan35]

Well spotted whiteout! So definitely a family of Macdougals there, but still no Carl!

So those records could be transcribed from Latin records, making "John MacDougal" "Johannis MacDougal".

Interesting about Elizabeth Kahle's marriage! I'm guessing Samuel is probably Jane Lusby's brother. Perhaps Elizabeth stayed up north with her uncle? If their fathers are not named does that mean they are deceased?

Willsy - that is an interesting discovery! Coincidence? Charles does not appear in the 1861 census, but he is back in 1871. Is it possible he went to America? But would he really go without his family and then return to live in the UK again? It's an interesting possibility!