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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 August 18 09:52 BST (UK) »


Looks like Torsten Linne____?? then next column- it says 4 Oct ??
               Johan Andreasen......then next column- 11 & blow that 19

Does this means anything ??


The names are the bondsmen.
4th Oct is the bann date.
The next column asks for the person requesting the bann.
The next column says that they are vaccinated.

Ian


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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 18 August 18 18:18 BST (UK) »
1. Bann record- for Johan & Karen( Kasja) - thanks for noticing that it say "Huggenas"- I didnt notice that before.

2. I didnt know there was 2 Hurum's either :) Is there a Hurum close to Eidsvold? I think her brother Nil Nilsen (b. 11 Dec 1843) was also in Norway & on the 1865 Census too..

3. Did they not have to give several Banns - 2-3 weeks in a row?? Maybe there is more info there ?

4. Yes if we can find her between 1855-1863- that would be great..Would she have been listed on Nil Hansson death record 1861 in Tofte Buskerud : This is the info I found:    Nils died in Hurum Buskerud Norway -Death info from Ian: Nils died by drowning in Hurum Norway..    Link to Death record: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/gr/person/pg00000000978044  fs website death record:    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWK2-XYM

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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 18 August 18 20:47 BST (UK) »
1. I just found an old record - says Nils Hansson/ Hansen Ringsfelt Uggelquist-moved to Hurum 25 April 1853..so should be on the 1855 Census? Karen( Kasja) moved 19 Nov 1855- so would not be ont the 1855 Census

2. I also found this old info on my computor:
Kajsa Nilsdotter, born 1836 Jul. 3 in Fiskaretorpet,
By parish, Värmland Co. Fiskaretorpet was a croft belonging to a farm
called Norra Skane. Kajsa was confirmed in 1850 and moved to a place
called Tolerud of the farm Carlslund in Huggenäs parish in 1852, to
serve as a farm maid. In 1855 (Nov. 19) she moved from Sweden to a
place called Hurum in Norway. She had a "flyttningsattest" (migration
permit) No. 81 from Huggenäs parish"

3. Another record says she was born Kyrketorp Huggenas-3 july 1836 & confirmed 1850- I think in Quarntorp.. I think they moved around alot as her father was in the Military & Soldat.. I dont think I have  the confirmation record

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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 August 18 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Jila
I just re-read your post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716351.0

Wow, 11 pages long. I had actually forgotten that I helped you back then, my memory isn't what it used to be.
I really now do think you have the correct Cajsa/Karen Nilsson even though the birth date is different.

Ian

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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 August 18 10:10 BST (UK) »
1. I just found an old record - says Nils Hansson/ Hansen Ringsfelt Uggelquist-moved to Hurum 25 April 1853..so should be on the 1855 Census? Karen( Kasja) moved 19 Nov 1855- so would not be ont the 1855 Census

As I understand the 1855 census was only statistical:
Cited from FamilySearch:
"Censuses were taken regularly in 1815, 1825, 1835, 1845 and 1855 and are available under More Searches on the home page of the Digital Archives. The censuses are labeled as incomplete since they were purely statistical."

Ian


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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 August 18 18:25 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

I just re-read the old posts too..You sure were great to help me :)  I am not really sure if I am furthur ahead & know anything for sure (lol)

Everything was find for Karen ( kasja) until she put 21 June 1836 on that 1900 Census- everything else fit.. except of course she or someone put "Nils Nilsen" down on her marriage record as her father.. I know it should be her father but I really think it is an error- due to her father dying in 1861..But need proof  one way or they other..

1. Are there more wedding banns available for Karen and Johan  ? Where was Johan between 1855-1863?

2. Can you find Karen's 1850 comfirmation?

3. Are there court records with regard to Caroline Elise's birth 19 July 1875? Would it show anything about Karen- date & place of birth?? Birth Father Ole Nilsen b. 1847 Hedmarken??

4. I have 3 possible Ole Nilsen's b. 1847 that are possible fathers of Caroline 's.. Ole Nilsen Lillemoen, Ole Nilsen Strom b. 1847 and another Ole Nilsen listed on the 1875 Census as a "Hjula"- or worked there..

5. I was thinking the 3rd Ole is possible as he was 9 yrs younger than Karen - she was a single parents , separated from Johan and working in the Hjula factory in Sagene.. so where else would she meet Ole ??

6. Are there "bestMan" statements somewhere ??

7. Yes David Tornquist had a sailing boat called the Storm Karin apparently and sailed across to USA.. apparently this boat is still around & in good shape in Sweden.. Grandson of Karl Jonathan Tornquist was going to help me too- I have emailed him again but no reply? I hope he is well ?

Bye for now

Thanks again/ Mange Takk 

J

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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 19 August 18 18:58 BST (UK) »
One more thing: Do you think maybe the Brothers also mixed up their birth dates due to the Calendars too ?

I have found a couple possible ones like the one in Brown Minnesota-I thought it was one of the brothers- but he said he was Norwegian but the date was the exact date in one case..

Name:    Andrew Nelson
Birth Date:    21 Dec 1850
Death Date:    6 Dec 1936
Cemetery:    Woodlawn Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:    Allouez, Brown County, Wisconsin, United States of America

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Re: Sweden : Karen Kajsa Nilsdatter b. Naes Varmland 21 June 1836 or 3 July 1836 ??
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 August 18 10:31 BST (UK) »
Would she have been listed on Nil Hansson death record 1861 in Tofte Buskerud : This is the info I found:    Nils died in Hurum Buskerud Norway -Death info from Ian: Nils died by drowning in Hurum Norway..    Link to Death record: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/gr/person/pg00000000978044

Norwegian record - original:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mkc/

Swedish record - original:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mkd/

Ian