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Offline jacqui63m

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Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« on: Thursday 16 August 18 23:38 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Can anyone explain why a couple first married in the Dublin Reg Off (with no apparent legal or religious reason) and then two years later marry in St Andrew's? They were both widows so why the Reg Office? And then the Church?

James Flood and Ellen Daniel Killeen

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11010/8025570.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10941/5998767.pdf

Jacqui
McAnee/McAneigh, McLaughlin, Carton/McCartney, McSorley, Ruxton, Weir/deVere, Flood, Lennon, Phibbs, Ormsby

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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 August 18 00:14 BST (UK) »
Not only did they marry twice, they were pretending to be living at separate addresses in the same street at time of their church wedding.  ;D
Maybe it took them 2 years to save up for a wedding reception.  ;D
Were they both same religious denomination at time of 1st wedding? They might have lapsed and then joined/ re-joined a church.
Were any children born in between the 2 ceremonies? Maybe 1st wedding was done in a hurry.
Were witnesses at either ceremony relatives? Perhaps they didn't tell their families about 1st marriage.
Were they definitely both widowed at time of 1st marriage or just pretending?
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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 August 18 00:16 BST (UK) »
Not only did they marry twice, they were pretending to be living at separate addresses in the same street at time of their church wedding.  ;D
Maybe it took them 2 years to save up for a wedding reception.  ;D
Were they both same religious denomination at time of 1st wedding? They might have lapsed and then joined/ re-joined a church.
Were any children born in between the 2 ceremonies? Maybe 1st wedding was done in a hurry.
Were witnesses at either ceremony relatives? Perhaps they didn't tell their families about 1st marriage.
Were they definitely both widowed at time of 1st marriage or just pretending?

Oh the shame of it!!   ;D ;D

What will neighbours say??
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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 August 18 00:17 BST (UK) »
Seriously now.... could be many reasons!!
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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 August 18 01:18 BST (UK) »
RC baptism (St. Michan) for a daughter of a couple called James Flood and Ellen Daniel took place on 30 April 1883:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ba_0062


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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 August 18 01:34 BST (UK) »
It happens -

1882: Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall July/September 1882, Dublin South, Ireland
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Albert Edward Acheson married Rosetta Maria Marshall September Quarter 1883, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England.

Rosetta was the daughter of a Solicitor in Sheffield. May be he put pressure on the Couple.

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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 August 18 02:01 BST (UK) »
RC baptism (St. Michan) for a daughter of a couple called James Flood and Ellen Daniel took place on 30 April 1883:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ba_0062

Ah-ha! Clerical or family pressure. Perhaps it was a toss-up to decide what the priest would disapprove of most, them marrying in the registry office or being unmarried parents. Probably evens in the priest's opinion. They may have lapsed then returned to the church when the baby was born.
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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 August 18 07:35 BST (UK) »
There are lots of reasons for a registry office marriage in Ireland- mixed marriage, family or clerical disapproval, recent family bereavement, pregnant bride or children born before marriage, wanting a quiet wedding, clergy of bride's church (marriages usually took place in her church) not authorised to perform marriages, one or both of the parties previously married...
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Re: Same couple marry 1st Reg Off and then Church
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 August 18 09:57 BST (UK) »
Hmm
James Flood a widower married Anne Duffy Jan 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/10991/8018718.pdf

Anne Flood age 18 married wife of a range setter (stonemason) died April 1881 informant Mary Duffy mother
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06441/4850642.pdf

Thomas Killeen, fisherman and boat owner on childrens birth certs
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mj4/

there is a death 1880 for a Thomas Killeen age 39 a Carpenter but this may not be him