Sarah Allen in Hunslet Yorkshire

[Annette128]

Hi everyone

I have done research on my friends tree and somehow I dont feel convinced I have the right Sarah Allen.  I have her marriage death and burial, but it is the linking I dont feel 100 per cent with. Wondered if it was a mistake in the register.

I can only find one birth of Sarah Allen (Allan) in Hunslet in 1878 at Myrtle Street this is to a father Joseph and Emma (Emily) Allen. This family from Leicestershire.  I have her on 1901 census and her death in 1933 in Lancashire. Just before the 1939 register which might have given another clue.

My problem is on her marriage certificate to Arthur Burns in Holbeck at St Matthew Holbeck Yorkshire  in 1901 her father is noted as William Allen a mechanic ( the other families were Iron Turners etc.)  Cannot find her on census before 1901 for sure except the other one with the Joseph and Emma Allen. In 1901 she is with her husband to be.  Have I got the wrong Sarah Allen...methinks. thanks to anyone who responds ....

[PaulineJ]

Provide the sources.
eg "I have the 1901"  so provide a link or a full transcription
Was the marriage from the 1901 address?
What names witness?
where was she & family in 1911?

Which 1901 census is Arthur?

[avm228]

Some important info omitted:

At marriage on 12 May 1901 Sarah Allen was 22, of 8 Willoughby View (presumably in Holbeck). Her father William, a mechanic, was marked deceased.

Arthur Burns was 23, bricklayer, same address, father Martin Burns, mechanic.

Witnesses were Charles Holmes & Selina Robinson.

[PaulineJ]

Is this the correct family unit in 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MH-P7V

[avm228]

1901 census shows Arthur Burns (23 b Leeds) at 8 Willoughby View, Holbeck in the household headed by his father Martin, and Sarah Allen (22 b Leeds) lodging with them.

RG13/4202/48/21

[Annette128]

Thank you to all who have replied and for your interest.

Yes the 1911 Census for Rochdale Lancashire 
for Arthur and Sarah Burns and family is the correct one.  He was also known as Arthur Appleyard Burns born in 1878. The Burns family go back to 1700s at least in Leeds. Sarah Allen seems a mystery. The only Sarah Allen I can find is the Joseph and Emma or Emily Allen.

In 1901 at Willoughby View.  The witnesses to the marriage are from the Burns family side.

I recall going through many Sarah Allen (Allan) GRO indexes for her to find a birth certificate...no baptism found for her. I just think I have mislinked her...

thank you everyone..

[libby9]

My problem is on her marriage certificate to Arthur Burns in Holbeck at St Matthew Holbeck Yorkshire  in 1901 her father is noted as William Allen a mechanic ( the other families were Iron Turners etc.)  Cannot find her on census before 1901 for sure except the other one with the Joseph and Emma Allen.

1891 Joseph Allen's occupation is mechanic's fitter. 1901, engine fitter.

Emma/Emily died 1892, Deaths Mar 1892, Allen    Emma, age    45    Hunslet    9b   185   

Joseph appears to remarry in 1893, though his occupation has changed!
3 Apr 1893, Leeds, St Peter,
Joseph Allen, 49, widower, cartwright, 24, Mill St, father Robert a weaver
Elizabeth Mann, 50, widow, 18, Mill St, father George Blanchard a fitter.

1901, Hunslet, RG13; Piece: 4192; Folio: 111; Page: 24
Joseph Allen    57, engine fitter, Leicester.
Elizabeth Allen    60, Leeds
Elizabeth Allen    17, Leeds

And still alive in 1911.

This looks like his death reg. Deaths Sep 1918, Allen    Joseph, age    76    Holbeck    9b   595

So, if Joseph is Sarah's father he was seemingly still alive when Sarah got married.

[Annette128]

Thank you to Libby for the extra information and for checking for me. 

It seems a bit strange about Sarah I wondered if she was an orphan or something like that.  I have deleted the Joseph and Emma Allen, branch of the tree from mine doesnt seem quite right.  Thank you for pointing out about Joseph Allen as he was still alive up to 1918.  Dont know what I can do really now, Sarah always said she was born Hunslet on the census.     

[libby9]

We need to see if Sarah, dau of Joseph Allen, can be found after 1891.  If not, there's a chance she is yours.  Perhaps she was upset with her Father for remarrying so soon after her Mother died and she disowned him, and for her he was deceased.  I note she had a brother William - could be why she chose that name for her Father when she married.  All supposition of course, but if a Sarah Allen dau of Joseph, doesn't show up after 1891 then the chance you have the right Sarah is strengthened.