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Offline Denise Rudge

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« on: Tuesday 21 August 18 10:08 BST (UK) »
Any info on Brays of Russia, Please
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Re: Brays
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 10:12 BST (UK) »
Why are you starting a new topic (with no details of what you already know)?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=798518
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=573433
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Re: Brays
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 11:40 BST (UK) »
The trouble is I do not know all - did Alexander Bray and wife Sophia stay or leave Russia - the surname of Stephen's wife Maria - they may not sound a lot but to me just curious.  I will delete all from RootChat.


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Re: Brays
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 11:43 BST (UK) »
If you do need to start a new topic it's best to post links to earlier threads to save people from looking for information you already have or that has been found for you. If you want help in finding your Bray relatives then it makes it much easier to help you when you give details (names, dates, etc.) if you are unsure of things or are relying an family stories then it's okay to include details but tell us where they came from or why you aren't sure.
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Re: Brays
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 12:49 BST (UK) »
From earlier topics-
My grandmother Olga Bray was the daughter of Stephen Thomas James, born in England but died in Moscow.  I have his brothers on my tree - I was originally told her father was Alexander married to an Ephimoff but when I obtained Olga's divorce papers, they arrived with a copy of her marriage certificate and it clearly shows that her father was actually Stephen.
Who 'told you' her parents were Alexander Bray & ? Ephimoff?
Could it be that her real parents died and Stephen and his wife raised her which is why Stephen is listed as father on marriage certificate?

How strange that Olga's father was her brother's child Stephen T J and not Alexander as we thought. I have her siblings as Eugene, Sophia, Alexander and Serge.

I understand Stephen TJ was married to someone called MARIA and understand they did have other children but to be honest I thought Alexander was her father and spent most of my efforts on his family. I have tried contacts to see if I could find out the surname of Maria but no luck as far.  I have to admit I am not very good on the computer a cousin in Canada, has sent all kinds of titbits on the Ephimoff side of the family.  A Elizabeth Ephimoff studied at the University of Geneva - have that on file - she came from Petersburg. If there is way of sending you a copy of the marriage certificate, I am quite willing to share.
I have also been told Olga taught English for the young children of the Royal Family - but how one can verify that I do not kow.


Family members:  Arnold Denys Bray b.19.12.27 in England and his brother Valerie Charles Bray b.19.8.1919 - I am sure this should be 1917 - in Uchtomskoe, nr. Moscow.  The dates now become suspect because V C Bray and parents Alexander & Mary Bray (nee Stepanova) were supposed to have come over to England in one of the last British ships to leave Russia during the revolution.  Alexander had a brother who remained in St. Petersburg, name unknown at present, and possibly another brother Harry who was living in Romford at one point. 

There are probably more details to help with searches but the above is a start.
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 16:07 BST (UK) »
I was originally told her father was Alexander married to an Ephimoff

Alexander John Bray (born 29 Sept.1860) married (18 Feb.1883) Sophie Ephimoff-
birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDD-QJ5
marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFK-Y91

Son Eugene born 1890: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDD-QV4
Daughter Sophia born 1892 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT6W-QJD
Son Alexander born 1894: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDD-QVZ
Son Serge born 1898: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDD-QV6

According to death registration Olga Yates was born c1890.
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