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William Pender....where are you?
« on: Tuesday 21 August 18 14:45 BST (UK) »
On 1851 census I have William Pender age 40 Coal Miner born Dumfries Old Patrick married to Elizabeth Dunbar born Kilsyth
On 1861 census Elizabeth is head of the family
I can’t find any record of a birth or death of William not even the 1841 census
Can anyone help please
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1851 census they are in Cambusnethan
Forrest - Blantyre
McLellan - Dumfriesshire
McCracken - Dumfriesshire
Harkness - Dumfriesshire
Adamson - Dumfriesshire

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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 16:11 BST (UK) »
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On 1861 census Elizabeth is head of the family

Is she down as married or widowed?

When did they marry - can you find Elizabeth in 1841 and did she die as a widow?
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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 17:43 BST (UK) »
It just says head of family and yes she died a widow in 1888

Just bought the census and it says widowed in 1861
Forrest - Blantyre
McLellan - Dumfriesshire
McCracken - Dumfriesshire
Harkness - Dumfriesshire
Adamson - Dumfriesshire

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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 17:48 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage Feb. 1847 New Monkland Lanark.

Was Elizabeth married to William Hay before that ?


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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
Yes ev...that’s her...she was widowed twice
Forrest - Blantyre
McLellan - Dumfriesshire
McCracken - Dumfriesshire
Harkness - Dumfriesshire
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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 17:56 BST (UK) »
Quote from: kall on Tuesday 21 August 18 14:45 BST (UK)
On 1851 census I have William Pender age 40 Coal Miner born Dumfries Old Patrick married to

Have you checked the page as it's more likely to be Dunbartonshire. Old Kilpatrick  than Dumfriesshire.

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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 18:12 BST (UK) »
I bought the census from Scotlandspeople Gadget and it definitely says Dumfries Old
Patrick and it says his age is 40
Forrest - Blantyre
McLellan - Dumfriesshire
McCracken - Dumfriesshire
Harkness - Dumfriesshire
Adamson - Dumfriesshire

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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 21:24 BST (UK) »
The reason that I'm suspicious of the PofB is that in 30 or so years of researching records in Dumfries and Galloway, I've not come across a place called Old Patrick.  I did a search but couldn't find such a place so maybe I've missed it. The nearest that I can think of would be Portpatrick in Wigtownshire.

I see that the family were lodgers in 1851. Could the Household Head have misunderstood or poorly written William's birthplace. The enumerator would then have copied out in his book what was written or what he though was written. This would thus be  third hand.

Just a thought.

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Re: William Pender....where are you?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 August 18 21:29 BST (UK) »
I did wonder that myself Gadget...thought maybe accents were different....Dumfries is written first then Old Patrick after...did think it might be Portpatrick but I still am unable to find a birth or death. I also wondered if his age was wrong
I also can’t find him on the 1841 census
Forrest - Blantyre
McLellan - Dumfriesshire
McCracken - Dumfriesshire
Harkness - Dumfriesshire
Adamson - Dumfriesshire
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