St Andrew's Holborn - PR look up 1600-1630

[Lily M]

Oh, well done Bookbox!  That looks word perfect!

[rosie99]

I think it calls her a Dowager after the word London

I can see where I misread it I am picking up  'age' and adding it to the word before.

Having said that a Dowager is a Widow 

[Bookbox]

I think it calls her a Dowager after the word London

I can see where I misread it I am picking up  'age' and adding it to the word before.

Having said that a Dowager is a Widow 

Yes, it could easily have been London wid dowager. It differs only by a single letter, the last ... 

[MattD30]

Hi

Wow! What a lot of information, many thanks to everyone who has looked into this and added notes on here.

I wonder who Ann's first husband was?

It's interesting to see Edward described as a widow as I did wonder if he had been married before.

I assume the term "Dowager" was the same as "widow" or did it mean anything special?

Where can I see the original allegation?

Many thanks to everyone again.

Matt

[MattD30]

The allegation is dated 1643 and says Edward was 40 which would make him born c1603. The only Edward Watson I can find christened in Faversham close to that date was christened in 1601 [he was the son of John Watson].

Could this be the same Edward or could there be another?

I think this might be Edward's first marriage: Edward Watson and Margerie Littlewood, married 5 April 1627 at Faversham.

It looks like Margerie died in in 1641 as there is a burial for her on 24 May 1641 which would fit.

Again many thanks for all the help.

Matt

[Lily M]

Reading Bookbox’s transcription, the allegation gives the ages as ABOUT 30 and 40.  So don’t take it too precisely.

[MattD30]

Reading Bookbox’s transcription, the allegation gives the ages as ABOUT 30 and 40.  So don’t take it too precisely.

Good point! I always allow a year or so either side just in case. I think this might be his christening.

I've found a couple of marriages in parishes close to St Andew's Holborn, and St Mary Magdalene Old Fish Street which might relate to Ann's first marriage.

At the moment I am looking into this one:

Thomas Ward married Ann Gates 29 March 1638 St Gregory by St Paul, London. That parish is only 1 mile from Holborn (St Andrew) and St Mary Magdalene Old Fish Street.

If this is Ann's first marriage then this may be her christening:

Ann Gates daughter of John - christened 10 December 1613 St Giles Cripplegate.

St Giles Cripplegate is under a mile from St Gregory & St Paul, and under a mile from St Mary Magdalene. It is a mile and a half from St Andrew's Holborn.

If I can find out if Thomas died this might be her.

Alternatively there is also an Ann Carter who married Banjamin Ward on 28 December 1638 also in the parish of St Gregory by St Paul. Of course Benjamin and Thomas Ward could be related.

Matt

[[Ray]]

"I assume the term "Dowager" was the same as "widow" or did it mean anything special?"     

Only to them . . . . . .
A dowager is was a widow who holds a title or property—a "dower"—derived from her deceased husband.       
As an adjective, dowager usually appears in association with monarchical and aristocratic titles.     

Presumably now a non-pc term.     
   

[MattD30]

"I assume the term "Dowager" was the same as "widow" or did it mean anything special?"     

Only to them . . . . . .
A dowager is was a widow who holds a title or property—a "dower"—derived from her deceased husband.       
As an adjective, dowager usually appears in association with monarchical and aristocratic titles.     

Presumably now a non-pc term.     
   

Thanks, that's what I thought it probably meant.