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Are these Lucys the same person?
« on: Saturday 25 August 18 15:40 BST (UK) »
1901 Census   Lucy S M Dixon age 36 b Sydenham Domestic servant Guildford Pl Byker

1911 Census Lucy Sarah Margaret Sto(a)nlly Dixon . age 39  Wife of Heney Thomas Dixon (b Jesmond Vale) age 40 no children. Living at 1 Hannington Place Byker. Note on form - delete Margaret?

1918  Marriage Cert Lucy Sarah Boulton (Widow) Address 1 Hannington Place. Father - William George Stanley (deceased) Ret Police Pensioner.  Husband Henry Thomas Dixon, bachelor, age 58 living at Jesmond Vale (father deceased).

Various electoral Registers puts her at 1 Hannington Place with Henry until his death in 1938.
Lucy died Jan 1939 in Newcastle General Hospital (formerly Workhouse). Her address given as 3 Hannington Street.

Has anyone any views on this please.  Information pre 1911 is scant for LSDixon.
Any thoughts gratefully received.
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 August 18 15:55 BST (UK) »
That is confusing especially the 1918 marriage if she was already Lucy Dixon wife of Henry in 1911.

So do we have a marriage for her as Lucy Stanley to a Mr Boulton......will look - can't see one  :-\
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:12 BST (UK) »
Do you know where Mr Dixon is in 1901?

If his father was William he seems to be at home with him on earlier census and single as per the marriage so I'm wondering if the Sarah Dixon servant saying she is married in 1901 isn't the one who married in 1918.  Why would she claim to be married to him whilst he is single and living with his father.

But  ???
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:35 BST (UK) »
Looks like he was with his father at 12 Jesmond Vale aged 38. Father aged 75 Shipyard worker unemployed.(Boiler maker on MC)
That would put Henry (Harry) at about 55 when he got married to Sarah. But the Census entry shows his birthplace as Jesmond Vale!  Age on MC 58

Something adrift somewhere.

Re Sarah- why not give her full name at Marriage as on Census i.e Lucy Sarah Margaret Sta(o)nlly

I am inclined to agree that the Census Sarah and the MC Sarah are not the same. But why the subterfuge? 

I have a theory on this but not without further "proof"
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:36 BST (UK) »
I suspect the “Staonlly” (or whatever) is an attempt at Stanley.

Added: actually I think it’s Standly.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:40 BST (UK) »
I think they are the same person, the couple presenting as “married” for years but for whatever reason - perhaps Lucy’s lawful husband was still alive - not actually marrying until 1918
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
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Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:50 BST (UK) »
1901 Census   Lucy S M Dixon age 36 b Sydenham Domestic servant Guildford Pl Byker

1911 Census Lucy Sarah Margaret Sto(a)nlly Dixon . age 39  Wife of Heney Thomas Dixon (b Jesmond Vale) age 40 no children. Living at 1 Hannington Place Byker. Note on form - delete Margaret

I read Henry Thomas Dixon's age as 48 and cannot find any mention of "delete Margaret" -possibly what you thought was "delete" Margaret" is the birth place of the Visitor Morpeth??? The form is quite messy

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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:55 BST (UK) »
1918  Marriage Cert Lucy Sarah Boulton (Widow) Address 1 Hannington Place. Father - William George Stanley (deceased) Ret Police Pensioner.  Husband Henry Thomas Dixon, bachelor, age 58 living at Jesmond Vale (father deceased).

There is a Lucy S M Boulton, aged 29 living in Elswick in 1891. Her birthplace is Norwood, which is pretty close to Sydenham. RG 12 / 4200 / 36 / 3

The fly in the ointment is that her father's name is Edwin, a tailor.
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Re: Are these Lucys the same person?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 August 18 16:56 BST (UK) »
I also think they are the same person although it is proving difficult to find her in earlier years.

1911 indexes show a Frederic Henry Stanley b Sydenham and living in Tynemouth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMN-N4S
I can’t find him in earlier censuses either.
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