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John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« on: Monday 27 August 18 19:44 BST (UK) »
John Acton was baptised on 6 July 1834 in Avoca, Co. Wicklow, Ireland.  The next record I can find for him is when his first son Dennis is born on 8 July 1858 is Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland.  His wife is given as Mary Doyle.

I have had no luck finding an entry for the marriage of John and Mary in Ireland, and was wondering if perhaps they moved and married in Scotland, or maybe met in Scotland.  Dna Matches would indicate John was my 3 rd gt uncle, but if I could see his parents name in a record it would confirm the family link. 

Thanks for any help with this matter.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 August 18 21:04 BST (UK) »
To confirm their marriage details, you can check any of their children's birth certs from the early 1860s onwards. Parents' date and place of marriage was recorded on their child's birth certs.

This is the family in 1871?

John Acton 30 Labourer In Iron Works b. Ireland
Mary Acton 27 b. Ireland
Donots (Dennis?) Acton 13
Matthew Acton 9
John Acton 7
Edward Acton 5
Lawrence Acton 4
Thomas Acton 1

Address: 11 Berryhill 1st Row, Wishaw, Cambusnethan

If John and wife Mary died in Scotland, their parents' full names would be included on their death registrations if known to the informants. Though, I think most family members ended up in the Washington area?

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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 August 18 21:26 BST (UK) »
Can't easily see Mary Doyle's death so far on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk but a possible for John maybe showing as:

John Acton, 58, died in 1895 in Cambusnethan.

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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 August 18 22:53 BST (UK) »
That’s great Monica, exactly the information I was looking for and I’d imagine that’s John’s death entry.   Are 30 credit bundles the minimum amount that can be purchased or is it possible to just buy enough credits to open up a particular entry one is interested in seeing.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
Redmond - Ballygarret


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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 August 18 09:20 BST (UK) »
Are 30 credit bundles the minimum amount that can be purchased or is it possible to just buy enough credits to open up a particular entry one is interested in seeing.
30 is the minimum, and it will buy five documents. You already need three documents

- birth of one of the younger children (go for Lawrence as that's the most unusual of the given names, but remember to use wildcards for spelling variations) to tell you the date and place of John and Mary's marriage

- John's death certificate to tell you the names of his parents, assuming the informant knew, and whether or not Mary predeceased him

- the original of the 1871 census, which will contain information not included in the index or transcription quoted by Monica

You could use the remaining credits to get two more census records.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 August 18 09:28 BST (UK) »
Although I have the 19th century burial records for Cambusnethan cemetery, the Common Ground records (paupers' graves) for the 1890's have not survived. It may well be that John was interred there. The only record I found for this family is for a child who died in 1874. Here are the details.

JAMES ACTON. Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - John Acton & Mary Doyle.
Interred in Public (common) Ground on 14th December 1874.

My advice to you is to follow Forfarian's always accurate advice!
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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 August 18 12:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the further information Forfarian and Lodger, much appreciated. Sad to read James died so young.  While we see this quite a bit when doing family research, it is always a poignant reminder of how fortunate we are to be here today.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
Redmond - Ballygarret

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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 August 18 23:13 BST (UK) »
John’s death cert did indeed confirm that his parents were who I hoped they would be.  Also Lawrence’s birth cert entry shows that John and Mary married in Co. Wicklow in October 1855. 
 
Thanks again for the wonderful pointers.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
Redmond - Ballygarret

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Re: John Acton & Mary Doyle marriage.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 August 18 09:13 BST (UK) »
Excellent!

Did John's death describe him as married or widowed?
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