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Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« on: Friday 31 August 18 13:24 BST (UK) »
According to the headstone of my 3xgreat uncle he had been with the 3rd Battalion of the Old IRA.

I know he was born June 1st 1901, making him just shy of 15 during the 1916 Rising. However he'd have been in his 20s during the War of Independence and Civil War. I know the Old IRA typically refers to the IRA of this period (1919 to 1923-ish)so that would fit.

I've been through militaryarchives.ie and I can't find anything with his details - no pension records, no ,mention in witnesss statements, nothing. He doesn't show in the 1922 army census. There is a Henry Tucker but on further inspection nothing else fits . I know he died may 1981.

It's so frustrating, when I have so much evidence of similar activity on the other side of the family tree. Can anybody point me in the right direction and suggest when I might look?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #1 on: Friday 31 August 18 13:46 BST (UK) »
IF he was in the IRA what makes you think he would have records for British Army??
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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 August 18 13:52 BST (UK) »
@hallmark, Militaryarchives.ie is for Irish military records. I found military pension records for cousins who were involved in1916 and again through to the mid 20s.

I just an't find this guy though and that's what annoys me.

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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 August 18 14:00 BST (UK) »
He was in IRA but was he in Military?


Military Archives does not hold records relating to military service prior to 1922. If your relative served during World War I, or at any point up to 1922, it is likely their service was with some of the Irish Regiments of the British Army. For further advice on researching British military records you should contact the English National Archives at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk or view the Military Archives Guide to researching British Records
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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 August 18 14:34 BST (UK) »
I’m fairly sure it was the Old IRA that were recognised as the legitimate army of the Irish Republic in April of 1921 by the First Dail. They would have fought in the War of Independence and the Civil War meaning he’d have been in what was seen as the Irish Army in 1922, which is why I looked at the 1922 census – no luck. I may have been mistaken in expecting to find him there but at least it's one resource crossed off the list.

Joseph is pretty unlikely to have been in World War one as he was only 14 at the outbreak. If he was Old IRA I can’t see him joining the British Army when so much was happening in his home city by the time he was older. 

Militaryarchive.ie also have a Bureau of Military History 1913-1921 and he isn’t showing in any of their records either. They would have records covering Cumann na mBan, IRA, IRB, ICA, Volunteers, Sinn Fein and non-affiliated people, which is why I held out so much hope.  They also have an IRA membership series.

I do know that some people who were entitled to their pension did not apply. Some people had the attitude that they had done a civic duty and didn't need the recognition of a pension or medal. While I think that's a very noble ideal it doesn't help nosy descendants like me.  :(

I’m going to slog through the individual membership records and hope the search option just isn't comprehensive of the whole collection.

If anybody can suggest where else to look I’d really appreciate it.

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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 August 18 15:18 BST (UK) »
Mount Jerome Cemetery dublin side of grave 26 25023

Mother Esther 10.3.1940, Joseph Issac 5.1.1953, Joseph Henry Tucker, 1981 3 Batt old IRA, Agnes 1.10.1999

on this site

http://www,igp.web.com

I thought the IRA was a secret org?

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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 August 18 15:36 BST (UK) »
I wonder would his administration papers contain anything
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 August 18 15:46 BST (UK) »
I wonder would his administration papers contain anything
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

Is there anything there for him?
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Re: Joseph Henry Tucker - 3rd Batt Old IRA
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 August 18 15:49 BST (UK) »
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