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BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« on: Tuesday 04 September 18 07:11 BST (UK) »
The Brothers family from NSW arrived in Bay of Islands around 1839/1840 with one daughter born
in NSW.  The family returned to Sydney in April 1845 accompanied by 4 children, 2 sons and
2 daughters.   Would like to locate the births of the children in NZ and identify them.  Have checked
the historical BDM's NZ online without result perhaps because the births are pre-registration.
Familysearch also had a negative result.

My question is:  Can anyone suggest other places I could look to find these births please?
                        There are trees on Ancestry for this family with variable dates but would like to
                         see if there are any NZ records.


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Jen.














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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 07:46 BST (UK) »
BDM microfiche have some records 1840-1854 but no sign of Brothers surname there.

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Barraclough, Barron, Hunter, Marsden, Pawson, Sowden, Street, Vowless,

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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 07:50 BST (UK) »
You are correct, that is pre-registration

I haven't had occasion to delve back that far in NZ and others will know better than me, but I would look for diaries and letters relating to the place and period hoping that someone mentions your family. It's an important period in NZ history so I think archives will be well catalogued - somewhere

https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/Pages/history-and-research.aspx

Hocken Library  https://www.otago.ac.nz/library/hocken/otago569409.pdf 
(this index has "settlers accounts"

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collection/object/am_library-manuscriptsandarchives-984



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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 08:21 BST (UK) »
Thankyou John B for checking the BDM microfiche. 

Thanks also Mckha489 for your suggestions and links, will check those carefully.
Being from Aust. I am finding the Maori names confusing but think Kororareka or Russell BOI is
the area of interest.  I note there was a Church of Christ established there and perhaps records
may still exist for that time.   Although the family was not this denomination, if it was the only church
then perhaps children would have been baptised there. 

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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 08:32 BST (UK) »
Kororareka/Russell was the first capital of NZ

the Treaty of Waitangi was signed there on 6 Feb 1840.
If your dates are correct they may well have been in the crowd at the signing.

there were French Catholics there too. Bishop Pompallier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baptiste_Pompallier

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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 08:37 BST (UK) »
MAYBE this is the arrival of some boxes for the Brothers. 
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZGWS18410918.2.4?end_date=31-12-1845&page=7&query=brothers&start_date=01-01-1839

 does the name Greenwood mean anything to you?

here they are again
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZGWS18420101.2.4.2?end_date=31-12-1845&page=10&query=brothers&start_date=01-01-1839


its tricky with Brothers being the name, but there is a comma between Greenwood and Brothers, so I don't think its Greenwood brothers.
and not only that there is a ship called the Brothers, and another called the Three Brothers! Although the latter seems to operate between Wellington and Picton (Queen Charlotte Sound)

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 08:53 BST (UK) »
OH HERES A GOOD ONE, quite long, includes

"Another party of Natives went to the jail at Hokaito (called by Governor Hobson, Russell Town) plundered  Hore and Brother  (the jailors) of everything they possessed threatening to shoot them if they made the least resistance, and shewing them that their muskets were loaded. Two or three of them entered the house of Brothers completely naked, one of them made use of infamously indecent language to Mrs Brothers , at the same time shaking a tomahawk at her, and shewing her his private parts"

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ACNZC18441031.2.4?end_date=31-12-1845&page=17&query=brothers&start_date=01-01-1839

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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 09:10 BST (UK) »
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do

3 results here

Johnston BROTHERS was dismissed from his position November 1844
also a deposition by him regarding a robbery at John Wrights October 1844

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Re: BDM help please - Bay of Islands
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 September 18 09:15 BST (UK) »
Well Found Mckha489,

I am following the thread with keen interest.   I am absolutely sure these will be of interest to Jen.


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If she has not found those Archives, is there still an RChatter who may be able to visit the archives to take photos of the files perhaps? 
 
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