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Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« on: Wednesday 05 September 18 23:04 BST (UK) »
A Richard SKINNER is identified in the Canadian census of 1851/52  in Houghton Ontario aged 41 with wife Mary Ann aged 33 with children Thomas 17 George 14 Sarah A 11 Emma 4.
Detailed as a Mill owner.
I suspect the same family along with another Skinner family is found in 1861 in Hougton. Richard is assumed decd As Mary Ann is a widow  The same children George 22 , Sarah 19 and Emma 12 are listed with mother Mary Ann 42 , along with  a second Sarah aged 23 probably the wife of George and possibly a grand daughter Mary  Ann aged 1
The other adult male , Christian names e unlclear , but aged 26 .
Emma is believed to have married Joseph HUNTER in 1870 and migrated to US.

I am looking for any other record from Canadian archives that feature the family, and possibly some record of their arrival in Canada , assumed to be pre 1834.
They  may have married in the UK prior to leaving for Canada, but no likely record has come to light.
Richard I believe may have been Born in Carshalton as Richard Loveland SKINNER 11-11-1804 son of Richard Skinner and Ann .If so this explains a potential DNA link between an ancestor  of Richards sister , Mary Ann bapt 24-11-1799, and ancestors of Emma born in Canada circa 1838/9.
Richard snr is detailed as a sawyer on some of his children’s bapt record and in the 1841 census a Sawyer .The nature of the Mill in Canada assumed to be timber, possibly a co-incidence, possibly not.

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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 September 18 00:04 BST (UK) »
Sadly Canadian passenger lists primarily cover the period 1865 - 1935.  The passenger lists prior to 1865 are few and far between.   :-\  The family could have arrived via United States but there are no border crossings for that time period to help.

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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 September 18 00:46 BST (UK) »
I believe the almost unreadable name in the 1861 census is Thomas.

His marriage....

29 May 1959 in Norfolk
To Sarah Ann Rose
Father Richard Skinner
Mother Mary A Lewis

The Thomas and one Sarah are designated as Married in the 1861 census, so presumably to each other. The 1 year old Maryann is likely their daughter.

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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 September 18 06:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sandra and Polarbear.
This makes perfect sense, that unclear name in the 1861 census I believe is the source of the interpretation as “Mark” as the father of Emma in a number of trees.
Clearly the age would be incorrect for that deduction, but it would not be the first ever census age error. If the researcher/s had not seen the 1851 census to guide them ,and now considering the marriage identified that would tie up with the census , I think I can be fairly confident that I have identified Emma’s father.
I will continue to look for further later entries for Thomas and George. I also have to consider that Richards brother Thomas may have also migrated with him.
It seems that the period of mid 1830’s saw further development of the community in Houghton Co at least 6 mills being operational. Guist Mill is mentioned, and that name appears on the 1861 census for one of the Skinners.

Suspect Guist Mill is a the type of the mill “Grist”  for grinding wheat.





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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 September 18 14:55 BST (UK) »
I don't know what other info you have about Emma Skinner but there is no sign of a marriage for her and Joseph Nelson Hunter at the monent.

Looks like this is the family in the 1881 census just prior to their move to the USA...

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008197817.jpg

Death record for Emma Elizabeth Hunter gives a birth date of 17 Nov 1849 in Veanna Ont; death date 28 Oct 1918 in Detroit MI.

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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 September 18 17:50 BST (UK) »
As far as i can see from Ancestry trees the marriage detail is restricted to detail on the US 1900 census, where they declare the marriage year of 1870, declaring they migrated in 1882.

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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:40 BST (UK) »
In 1851, Richard and the children are listed as Episcopal in religion, Mary as Baptist.
There are no other Skinners in Houghton. In 1861 they're all listed as Baptist.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2YM-425L
 Looking at the marriage for Thomas Skinner, I think his birthplace is Flamboro(Flamborough) East, and his mother's last name may be "Sims"

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144782355
 - Sarah, wife of Thomas Skinner, died in Norfolk in 1867

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMJ7-P8Q
 - Ida Rose, their daughter married in 1881

I believe he remarried to Frances Josephine Cook (aka Jane), he's still in the Norfolk Co area in 1871:
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396744_00601.jpg

Frances died in 1891:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69178531/frances-j.-skinner


I wonder if this could be Sarah Skinner, married a Berg in Michigan?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF4W-69Z
(looks like possibly Rudolph Berg was her husband, her age fluctuates wildly around the censuses)

I think it is!
In 1900, she is living with Rudolph with "daughter", Dollie Berg b. 1888.
But in 1920, she is living with Marion and Dorothy Thompson as "Aunt".
Dorothy, parents Nelson Hunter and Emma Skinner, the same age as Dollie Berg, married Marion Thompson in 1913:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3LF-4PD
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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 September 18 15:00 BST (UK) »
Oops! Bit of a typo earlier.....marriage year for Thomas and Sarah should read 1859.

Agree with jorose that the last name for Thomas' mother looks like Sims.

1st marriage for daughter Mary Ann...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTG7-SR7?i=124&cc=1452395

2nd marriage for her...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-25SH-N2?i=626&cc=1810350

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Added: and this looks like the marriage for a daughter Eliza...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ19-5MQ?i=448&cc=1452395
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Re: Richard SKINNER b England 1800-1810 migration to Canada
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 September 18 06:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you for everyone responding to this post. I have found at least two people researching two different grand children both through Thomas’s line who I am sure will be very interested to know this overview of the family. Sometimes working forward is easier than working back.
I guess Richards wife Mary Ann’s surname is a little inconclusive, but clearly a short name.
SIMS is equally as plausible as LEWIS. It’s a shame ,there are potentially 5 marriages the other 4  have not emerged, so we don’t have a comparison as yet.

On the assumption ( just this moment ). that Mary Ann also came from Surrey, England, there are a handful of both Mary Ann SIMS and LEWIS baptisms to consider.

The only marriages of a Richard Skinner in any on line archive in the Surrey/London are are to a Mary Marshall and Mary Connell. Obviously they could have married anywhere in England , but migrating from London would seem most likely. Equally, there is only a proportion of records on line, so my search for an England marriage and Surrey in particular will continue in parish records not covered on line .
( Separate posting for Surrey now in place )