Arthur and Daisy Neal

[CaroleW]

If the marriage was annulled because she lied about her age - would he have been legally correct in stating he was a bachelor when he remarried?

[Ladyhawk]

I found an Elsie May Neal, father Arthur and living in Newbury in 1911 ,
she is single and born 1894/5, but I just don’t know.

Don't know if this will help

National School Admission Registers & Log books 1870 1914
St Nicholas Church Of England School
7th May 1906 Admission - no parent or guardians named,
Enbourne Road
Elsie Neal born 27 8 94 Name of last School Charlbury
Dorothy Neal born 4 12 97 ditto

Elsie May NEAL mmn   COLLINS     
1894  D Quarter in COLCHESTER  Volume 04A  Page 612   

Dorothy Ellen NEAL mmn   COLLINS     
1897  D Quarter in WOOLWICH  Volume 01D  Page 1271   

Free BMD has these marriage entries

Mar 1892   
Collins    Ada Mary        Farnham    2a   170   
Mogg    William        Farnham    2a   170   
Neal    Arthur                Farnham    2a   170   
Pratt    Edith                Farnham    2a   170   

Sep 1892   
COLLINS    Ada Mary                Colchester    4a   804   
HAINES    Selina Frances        Colchester    4a   804   
HARNES    Selina Frances        Colchester    4a   804   
Neal    Arthur                        Colchester    4a   804   
Steadman    William        Colchester    4a   804   

Dorothy Ellen Neal born 04 Dec 1897
Baptism 22 Dec 1897 Woolwich Kent
Father   Arthur Mother   Ada
Father's occupation   Corpl A S C,  Residence   Woolwich
Source   St George's Garrison Church, Woolwich, Kent: Baptism Register


1920 Berkshire ER
3 Westfields View, Arthur Road (Arthur living at this address 1911)
Arthur Neal
Ada Mary Neal

1926/27/30 Berkshire ER
15 Arthur Road
Arthur Neal
Ada Mary Neal
Arthur Henry Neale
Albert Charles Neal (1927)

Arthur Neal is on 1939 Register in Berkshire with Ada M

Added

Arthur Neal died Age 82 Residence 15 Arthur Rd
Burial date 30 Dec 1941 St Nicolas Newbury

Dorothy Ellen Bassett born 4 12 1897
Dec 1979 Newbury Berkshire Volume   19 Page   0109

[NooshieW]

Thanks everyone, I am maybe putting two and two together and coming up five, but as there is no birth record for a Daisy May Neal and there is an Elsie May Neal with everything else correct I think it could be her. If they just ran away and married without permission it might make sense to change the name. It’s the fact the marriage was in Newbury and the family are living in Newbury in 1911,there just didn’t seem to be a Daisy anywhere.

[Ladyhawk]

Thanks everyone, I am maybe putting two and two together and coming up five, but as there is no birth record for a Daisy May Neal and there is an Elsie May Neal with everything else correct I think it could be her.

 If they just ran away and married without permission it might make sense to change the name.

It’s the fact the marriage was in Newbury and the family are living in Newbury in 1911,there just didn’t seem to be a Daisy anywhere.

Could it be that her middle name is incorrect on 1908 m/c and should have been Jane
Not seeing a marriage or death entry for a Daisy J(ane) Neal in Berkshire area

Daisy Jane NEAL mmn  COLLINS    
1892  J Quarter in FARNHAM  Volume 02A  Page 118   

1901 census below seems to be the same family from the 1911 census you have mentioned
Quote
"I found an Elsie May Neal, father Arthur and living in Newbury in 1911 ,
she is single and born 1894/5, but I just don’t know"

1901c RG13 612 Folio 81 Page   10
Harrow Road, Aldershot (Hants), Farnham, Hampshire
Ada Neal wife married 29 Newbury (husband in South Africa)
Daisy Jane Neal age 8 dau Aldershot
Elsie May Neal dau 6 Colchester
Arthur Henry Neal son 5 Woolwich
Dorothy Ellen Neal dau 3 Woolwich

Daisy Jane Neal born 18 May 1892
Baptism date   14 Jul 1893 Colchester
Father Arthur mother Ada
Father's occupation   Corporal A S C
Residence   The Camp
Source   Camp Church, Colchester, Essex: Baptism Register

I have the marriage certificate, her father is named as Arthur,
her husband is my grandfather, who married my grandmother Hettie in 1921;
nobody in the family knows what happened to Daisy and whether they actually divorced or had the marriage annulled, someone has a note on the certificate to say that Daisy was under age and born in or around 1894. both down as 21 on the certificate, which they patently weren’t

There is this entry but don't know if she's same Daisy May Neal that married
Arthur Burnett Flatman 1908 Newbury   

Daisy Flatman
Year 1931 address at top of page Colney Hatch Mental Hospital N.11
Polling district or place Friern Barnet
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Middlesex, Finchley Division
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

[NooshieW]

Wow, this is good stuff, thanks a lot, this could definitely be her, very sad too.
Goodness knows how it can be definitely proved or disproved, but it’s looking the closest yet.
Just to add I am presuming she was a patient, but could have been working there? I am not sure a patient would have had the vote.
If she was on the 1911 census it would help considerably.

[Sloe Gin]

If the marriage was annulled because she lied about her age - would he have been legally correct in stating he was a bachelor when he remarried?

As someone explained earlier, her age would not be grounds for annulment, nor would providing an inaccurate age.

[Ladyhawk]

If she was on the 1911 census it would help considerably.

Do you have her husband Arthur on 1911 census and if so under which surname
Flatman or Lisburne?

Arthur Burnett Lisburne  born Arthur Burnett Flatman on 1 Sep 1890 in Neyland, Pembrokeshire,
he signed a statement for Civil Service employment purposes in Devonport dated 1949

[NooshieW]

I am not convinced she would have stayed with the name Flatman. She may have kept Neal, as A Daisy Neal died in Croydon and all of my grandfather’s family were from Croydon .

[NooshieW]

If she was on the 1911 census it would help considerably.

Do you have her husband Arthur on 1911 census and if so under which surname
Flatman or Lisburne?

Arthur Burnett Lisburne  born Arthur Burnett Flatman on 1 Sep 1890 in Neyland, Pembrokeshire,
he signed a statement for Civil Service employment purposes in Devonport dated 1949

Yes Arthur Lisburne was on the 1911 census in the Army. He joined as Flatman ,deserted and went back in as Lisburne.