Griffith Williams

[twilight7]

Hello everyone. I have been searching for a Griffith Williams 1863....found him on the following Census..1891,1901,1911, but besides a marriage certificate for the 15th February,1886 to Mary Ann Ashcroft, where it states Griffiths Father`s name is John Williams (other relatives say it was Thomas!) I can`t find anything else. Griffith was supposed to be born in Liverpool 1863,but I can`t find him or any Brothers and Sisters of his. His Father was supposed to be born between 1827-1830 in North Wales and a ships Captain in the same area, who married a Jewish lady who`s name I do not know. Not sure how to proceed, keep going around in circles on a website....any suggestions please would be most helpful. Thank you.

[rosie99]

It would be a good idea to post the details of at least one census you have him on and give us reference numbers for them all to save us spending time searching for them.  It is always easier for us if we can see a census to work from. 

[philipsearching]

A search on the General Register Office index for 1863+-2years gives:
Sep qtr 1863 Liverpool vol 8b p87 WILLIAMS Griffith mmn PHILLIPS
Dec qtr 1865 Liverpool vol 8b p49 WILLIAMS Griffith Robert mmn ROBERTS

Have you discounted these two?

I'll see if I can find a marriage, but with surnames WILLIAMS, PHILLIPS and ROBERTS it could be needle-in-haystack time! (I was hoping for a Jewish surname, but maybe that's a family myth)

Philip

[philipsearching]

Hello everyone. I have been searching for a Griffith Williams 1863....found him on the following Census..1891,1901,1911, but besides a marriage certificate for the 15th February,1886 to Mary Ann Ashcroft, where it states Griffiths Father`s name is John Williams (other relatives say it was Thomas!) I can`t find anything else. Griffith was supposed to be born in Liverpool 1863,but I can`t find him or any Brothers and Sisters of his. His Father was supposed to be born between 1827-1830 in North Wales and a ships Captain in the same area, who married a Jewish lady who`s name I do not know. Not sure how to proceed, keep going around in circles on a website....any suggestions please would be most helpful. Thank you.

Just checking:
Griffith Williams born 1863 Liverpool - is this information from censuses?
Father's name John (from Griffith's marriage cert) - Does the marriage cert give John's occupation (or deceased)?
John might be Thomas, might have been born in Wales, might have married a Jewish woman. - Is this family anecdote or is there any documentary evidence?
Griffith's brothers and sisters - are any known and, if so, what names do you know?

Philip

[jorose]

Griffith Robert Williams did have a father John, a mariner, from North Wales:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBNF-WP6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-NFR9

(There is also a Griffith Williams father Thomas in the area, but he married a Lydia Rowland - perhaps this is where the family have gotten their Griffiths mixed up?).

From the marriage, he was 21 (born 1865) : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNSC-PNF, in 1891 he is 26 so also b. 1865, it's only later his birth moves to 1863.

As well as father's occupation, the full marriage certificate should give you an address for him and witness names who might be parents or siblings, these details can help confirm you have the right person.

[hanes teulu]

Welsh Mariners Index   http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/search.php

Search for a) John Williams b) birth year 1827 c0 Competency Cert No. 69159

[Radcliff]

also Griffith Williams son of Samuel Valentine Williams and Hannah born 24th June 1862

[Radcliff]

St Peter Liverpool
born 18th June 1863
baptised 23rd August 1863
Griffith Williams
father Thomas a mariner and Eliza
abode Wellington St

[twilight7]

Thank you everyone you have been brilliant (as always). I didn`t attach a Census because I haven`t used this method before ,so please bear with me  I think I`ve got it now (hopefully ). This Census has a Griffith Williams and Mary Williams and a Mary A Williams 17 months (I think), but it dosen`t have the 2 older daughters Elizabeth born 1887 and Sarah born 1890...so may be it`s wrong. My Aunt who was quiet knowledgable about the family history was certain Griffith`s Father was a ship`s Captain and he married a Jewish lady. I have no evidence of a place of birth for John and I don`t know any names of Griffith`s siblings. My Grandmother said her Father Griffith had a middle name IFON,but I can`t find any proof of this either. Thank you all once again.