belfast mcgonigal's 1865

[heywood]

Thanks for the reply.
I found all those records and thought that they might follow each other in years but haven't studied them closely.
Was your grandfather single on marriage?
I presume you have his death - was he the one who died in 1935? The age is different again, I think so it makes it difficult for you.
Did you find the other death?

[hallmark]

it took me a while to cross off the earsdon mcgonigal. He served in the 76th regiment, however, my grandfather served in the donegal artillery and the dates simply dont match.My grandad married emily olga clark in tynemouth in 1914.the other J.T.Mcgonigal had a family in the north east but my granddads army record clashes with the earsdon mcgonigal.I wish they did as my quest would be over. My granddads father was william Mcgonigal.I dont know his mothers name.All army records state he was born in shankill, belfast but as yet I cant find even a baptism record.I am wondering which records are not on line , knowing my luck so far, he was baptised in a church whose records are not digitalised yet.

A church of what religion??

[heywood]

it took me a while to cross off the earsdon mcgonigal. He served in the 76th regiment, however, my grandfather served in the donegal artillery and the dates simply dont match.My grandad married emily olga clark in tynemouth in 1914.the other J.T.Mcgonigal had a family in the north east but my granddads army record clashes with the earsdon mcgonigal.I wish they did as my quest would be over. My granddads father was william Mcgonigal.I dont know his mothers name.All army records state he was born in shankill, belfast but as yet I cant find even a baptism record.I am wondering which records are not on line , knowing my luck so far, he was baptised in a church whose records are not digitalised yet.

I had another look at the records but there is a big age difference.
If I have followed them properly, there is no overlap between army service.

If the service record were one person, JT would be born 1850ish.
There is a death in Tyneside 1935 - John T McGonigal  born abt 1851 which doesn’t fit with the one in 1911 or your man 

Is your John T a bachelor on marriage?
Have you found him in 1911?

[candrjm]

There is this family with father William who were in Belfast in 1864 and living in Durham by 1891 :

Marriage:

Ireland Civil Registration
Name    William McGonigall
Event Type    Marriage
Event Date    15 Feb 1864
Event Place     St Ann's, Belfast, Ireland
Event Place    Belfast, County Down, Ireland
Father's Name    Daniel McGonigall
Spouse's Name    Matilda Or Martha O Hara
Spouse's Father's Name    William OHarra

Link to 1881 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-W8J7

Link to 1891 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJWM-2ZM

Birth for Daniel 1865:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03576/2317973.pdf

Birth for Mary 1866:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03521/2295497.pdf

Birth reg for William 1868 (surname recorded as Mcgonegal):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03432/2259822.pdf

birth for Martha 1870:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03363/2233361.pdf

Possible birth reg for Kate:
MCGANIGHAN, CATHERINE        mother's maiden name O'HARA        
GRO Reference: 1875  S Quarter in STOCKPORT  Volume 08A  Page 29

Possibly birth record for Nellie ((female child) mistakenly recorded as Allan instead of Ellen):
MCGONAGAL, ALLAN        mother's maiden name O HARA        
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in COVENTRY  Volume 06D  Page 550

Possible birth reg for Florence:

MCGONIGAL, FLORENCE    mother's maiden name  O'HARAW      
GRO Reference: 1881  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 99

[candrjm]

Marriage:

Marriages Dec 1914   
Clark    Olga    McGonigal    Tynemouth    10b   584   
McGonigal    John    Clark    Tynemouth    10b   584

Is this Olga remarrying:

Marriages Jun 1947   
Stewart    Henry    McGonigal    Tynemouth    1b   1257
McGonigal    Olga    Stewart    Tynemouth    1b   1257


Death:
Stewart   Olga E   born c1896   died 1965   Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

[Cwellan CoDown]

Belfast street directory for 1868 unfortunately doesn't show McGonigle as the address listed on the birth certs above but it does show a William O'Hare (And that is Martha's maiden name)

15. O'Hara, Wm., bleacher

and he isn't there in the 1877 directory

[heywood]

There is no son John Thomas with that family though.

Is there an occupation for father William on the marriage to Olga?

[candrjm]

Heywood, I only posted the above family as they had a father William and were in Belfast about 1864. I did wonder if possibly Martha had a son John Thomas O'hara before her marriage to William but haven't found one yet.
From what you say about there being no overlap in the service records for the JT's it's looking more likely that they were the same person.
If that is Olga remarrying in 1947 then John presumably died between 1914 and 1947, there seems to be only the one death for a John Mcgonigal between these years in Northumberland and that's the one  in 1935.

Chippybloke if you have the actual marriage certificate for John and Olga please could you post all the details?

 

[chippybloke]

Thanks for all the helpful comments.Nice one guys.